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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Markus What ever Reflector is selected by the originator of a posting it should remain there and not deliberately be reposted elswhere by others. At present I use BS and get all the information that I require and DO NOT need any other relfector. If I decide Yahoo would be more suitable for a posting then I would use it. Have you noticed how many people despise BS but USE IT !!!!!!!!!! A better solution would be for all to get on with amateur radio communications on their bands of interest and spend less time squabbling about Reflectors and Internet. In the days before Reflectors and Internet there was far more harmony amongst the radio amateur community. Information exchanges took place on radio in QSO mode on a frequency of choice. Now exchanges take place on Reflectors/Internet and frequencies especially LF/MF occupied by Beacon generators. G3KEV [...] Content analysis details: (4.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [62.24.128.238 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 4.4 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 AXB_XMAILER_MIMEOLE_OL_024C2 X-Scan-Signature: ccc04899dbdbe78a3093b8d21fefef60 Subject: Re: LF: Forwarding or replying to Yahoo Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0046_01CD9EE7.61F7B4B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1db40a506805f62986 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CD9EE7.61F7B4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Markus What ever Reflector is selected by the originator of a posting it should = remain there and not deliberately be reposted elswhere by others. At present I use BS and get all the information that I require and DO = NOT need any other relfector. If I decide Yahoo would be more suitable = for a posting then I would use it.=20 Have you noticed how many people despise BS but USE IT !!!!!!!!!! A better solution would be for all to get on with amateur radio = communications on their bands of interest and spend less time squabbling = about Reflectors and Internet. In the days before Reflectors and = Internet there was far more harmony amongst the radio amateur community. = Information exchanges took place on radio in QSO mode on a frequency of = choice. Now exchanges take place on Reflectors/Internet and frequencies = especially LF/MF occupied by Beacon generators. G3KEV =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Markus Vester=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:11 AM Subject: Re: LF: Forwarding or replying to Yahoo Hi Stefan, I may have done the same. But honestly, I don't feel bad about it, as = I think there's nothing wrong in doing so.=20 Anyone can join the Blacksheep reflector. So I would consider anything = I post here as "said in public", open to fair citation. If this is not = your intent it would indeed be more appropriate to revert to direct = mail.=20 Personally I have no reservations about my contributions appearing on = "the web". To me, the internet is not some kind of moloch but a very = useful means to share and retrieve information. In my opinion it's a bit = heretic to use Google every day, and at the same time complain about = contributing content to a searchable archive. =20 Regarding Yahoo and BS, I never found it desirable to have two groups = in parallel. And I don't think "opt out for crossposting" is a viable = solution. Often we have long (and sometimes valuable ;-) threads, from = several different contributers. When replying, would you seriously = expect us to search for anything that might have been said by a person = of the "no" group, and carefully cut it out? Again, citation according = to generally accepted rules should be freely allowed. Best 73, Markus (DF6NM) PS it would be nice if we all would try to care for valid subject = lines, and replace those whenever a thread has drifted away from the = original topic. From: Steinar Aanesland=20 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:57 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Subject: Re: LF: test Stefan, I may have done this. I have sometimes had rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups.co.uk. in the Cc field when I have replied = to an email. I sincerely apologize if I've done something stupid to you. = It has never my intention. My goal has been to inform , not to step on = some people. I am deeply sorry LA5VNA Steinar loc:jo59jq www.opera.no Den 30.09.2012 00:56, skrev Stefan Sch=E4fer: > ...i am extremely irritated to see my emails and even my email = adress > in this reflector beeing permanently forwarded to the web, i.e. > certain public groups. Thus i consider to reduce my activity here = and > communicate with the few really active people directly, at least for > some time. > > Stefan/DK7FC > > Am 29.09.2012 21:34, schrieb wolf_dl4yhf: >> .. suspiciously quiet here on the reflector, especially for a = weekend .. ------=_NextPart_000_0046_01CD9EE7.61F7B4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Markus
What ever Reflector is selected by the = originator of a=20 posting it should remain there and not deliberately be reposted elswhere = by=20 others.
At present I use BS and get all the information = that I=20 require and DO NOT need any other relfector. If I decide Yahoo would be = more=20 suitable for a posting then I would use it.
Have you noticed how many people despise BS but = USE IT=20 !!!!!!!!!!
A better solution would be for all to get on = with amateur=20 radio communications on their bands of interest and spend less time = squabbling=20 about Reflectors and Internet. In the days before Reflectors and = Internet there=20 was far more harmony amongst the radio amateur community. Information = exchanges=20 took place on radio in QSO mode on a frequency of choice. Now exchanges = take=20 place on Reflectors/Internet and frequencies especially LF/MF = occupied by=20 Beacon generators.
G3KEV
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Markus=20 Vester
Sent: Sunday, September 30, = 2012 8:11=20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Forwarding or = replying=20 to Yahoo

Hi Stefan,
 
I may have done the same. = But honestly, I don't feel bad about it, as = I=20 think there's nothing wrong in doing so.
 
Anyone can join the Blacksheep = reflector. So I=20 would consider anything I post here as "said in = public", open=20 to fair citation. If this is not your intent it would indeed be = more=20 appropriate to revert to direct mail. 
 
Personally I have no reservations = about my=20 contributions appearing on "the web". To me, the=20 internet is not some kind of moloch but a very = useful=20 means to share and retrieve information. In my opinion it's = a=20 bit heretic to use Google every day, and at the same time = complain about=20 contributing content to a searchable archive.  
 
Regarding Yahoo and BS, I never = found it=20 desirable to have two groups in parallel. And I don't think "opt out for crossposting" is a viable = solution. Often=20 we have long (and sometimes valuable ;-) threads, from several = different=20 contributers. When replying, would=20 you seriously expect us to search for anything that might = have been=20 said by a person of the "no" group, and carefully cut it out? Again, = citation=20 according to generally accepted rules should be freely=20 allowed.
 
Best 73,
Markus (DF6NM)
 
PS it would be nice if we all = would try to=20 care for valid subject lines, and replace those whenever a thread = has=20 drifted away from the original topic.
 

From: Steinar Aanesland
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: LF: test

Stefan, I = may have done=20 this. I have sometimes had
rsgb_lf_group@yahoogroups= .co.uk.=20 in the Cc field when I have replied to
an email. I sincerely = apologize if=20 I've done something stupid to you. It
has never my intention. My = goal has=20 been to inform , not to step on some
people. I am deeply=20 sorry

LA5VNA Steinar
loc:jo59jq
www.opera.no


Den = 30.09.2012 00:56,=20 skrev Stefan Sch=E4fer:
> ...i am extremely irritated to see my = emails and=20 even my email adress
> in this reflector beeing permanently = forwarded to=20 the web, i.e.
> certain public groups. Thus i consider to reduce = my=20 activity here and
> communicate with the few really active = people=20 directly, at least for
> some time.
>
>=20 Stefan/DK7FC
>
> Am 29.09.2012 21:34, schrieb=20 wolf_dl4yhf:
>> .. suspiciously quiet here on the reflector,=20 especially for a weekend ..
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