Return-Path: Received: from mtain-mi11.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-mi11.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.21.131.169]) by air-me01.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME014-8ba34d2f3b96357; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:51:18 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mi11.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 70DAC38000087; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 12:51:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1PdRJi-0007mn-Lx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:50:34 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1PdRJi-0007me-8i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:50:34 +0000 Received: from out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1PdRJf-0000Pa-Vy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:50:34 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0GAKvJLk1cHYxR/2dsb2JhbACISY1ujhRzvSCCbIJgBI5Mgls X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,318,1291593600"; d="scan'208";a="320238410" Received: from unknown (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.140.81]) by out1.ip04ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 13 Jan 2011 17:50:25 +0000 Message-ID: <004801cbb34a$5b8ab580$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <003801cbb33e$8b59e620$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <4929CA3383DD45FCBC44A80A2733B139@PcMinto> Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 17:50:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: FET RDS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039400cded34d2f3b950334 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 Minto One approach is to use a few in parallel like they do in plasma tv's but there must then be other considerations to hinder the application. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Minto Witteveen" To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: FET RDS > Yup that is correct. High(er) voltage fets usually have the higher RDS-on > values... Tradeoff based on physics... > I started my 500-600 Watts 500 KHz transverter with two IRFP360's in > parallel. > Later I switched to IXFH26N50 (cheaper at EUR 1 a piece and slightly better > than the IRFP360). > The IXFH26N50 has a VDSS of 500 Volts, and a RDS-on of 0.23 Ohms and an Id > of 25A. > With two of these in parallel the efficiency is > 90%. DC supply is (max) 54 > Volts. > Peak voltage on the drains is somewhere around max 250 Volts. So I might > search for Fets with a somewhat lower RDSon and a lower max voltage, but > these fets are indestructible in my setup, they survive open and > short-circuited antennas without a problem for several minutes until heat > becomes a problem. > > > For more info wrt my setup see www.pa3bca.nl > > Regards, > Minto pa3bca (500 KHz in PA idle at the moment, alas...) > > > > > From: mal hamilton > Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 17:25 > To: rsgb > Subject: LF: FET RDS > > > LF/MF > It seems to me if you are working with low V high current FETS the RDS seems > reasonable 0.02 for example but when a High V low current device is need the > RDS of these devices seem to be around 0.4 considerably higher. > therefore the efficiency of the amplifier will never reach the 90% plus that > some claim. > I stripped a plasma tv recently and found banks of FETS (6 per bank) and > wondered why the application neederd so many and have come to the conclusion > that because of the high RDS lots were required in parallel to reduce the > losses. > Maybe there are low RDS fets about that will handle several hundred volts at > modest currents ie 10A at 1000 volts > Room for thought > > de mal/g3kev > > >