Return-Path: Received: from mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.96.14]) by air-df08.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDF081-5efe4c24e7c8129; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:30:48 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mtain-ma06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 04CB1380003B0; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 13:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1OSCip-0001bj-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:29:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1OSCio-0001ba-PV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:29:46 +0100 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1OSCin-0007jC-Mv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:29:46 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgkFAO+EJExOk8j4/2dsb2JhbACPSwOPcnHCRIJSgk8E X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.53,482,1272841200"; d="scan'208,217";a="303485251" Received: from unknown (HELO your91hoehfy9g) ([78.147.200.248]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 25 Jun 2010 18:29:38 +0100 Message-ID: <004801cb148b$fe4fbf80$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <6DEA7E8987244A48846E44813972D608@TonyLaptop><002301cb13b3$fe031640$4001a8c0@lark><4C2468E5.14422.A52B82@dave.davesergeant.com><8E4FC73E19264769BDD773018FF63E7A@TonyLaptop><002901cb1487$29189b10$0301a8c0@your91hoehfy9g> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 18:29:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: Antenna wire Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01CB1494.5FE946F0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d600e4c24e7c508d2 X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CB1494.5FE946F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Roger=20 I am only quoting what the MAN said himself Am I the only one to twig what is going on.=20 On an other tack have you noticed the lack of activity from Scotland= these days, due I think to the HAGGIS shooting season having been ext= ended all year round especially in the Shetlands and Hebrides=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Roger Lapthorn=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 6:04 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re: Antenna wire Mal, Wire you stirring things up again? 73s Roger G3XBM On 25 June 2010 17:55, mal hamilton wrote: He is winding u folks up !!!!!!!!!! A radio amateur for 40 years and never heard of WIRE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Baldwin" To: Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 10:14 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Antenna wire > Sorry to bewilder you Dave, but when it comes to LF wire aerials= I really am > a complete newbie. > Although I've been licenced for over 40 years now, I have spent= all my time > up the "other end" of the spectrum. > > So, no I haven't really got 100m rolls of stranded cable kicking= around in > my shack. I do have a 6 foot dish, a couple of 30 foot long 2m= yagis etc, > etc, so any wire needed for a 136 aerial I will have to go out= and buy, and > before I did that I wanted to make sure that I wasn't wasting my= money on > the wrong stuff, plus wire shops are few and far between down th= is neck of > the woods. > The only wire locally (nearest 15 miles) is CB & TV coax, twin= and earth > electrical and electric fencing wire, anything else is a 120 mil= e round trip > to Cork city or arm and a leg postage. > Thanks for the tip about loudspeaker cable, that might be possib= le locally. > 73, Tony, EI8JK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Sergeant" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:29 AM > Subject: LF: Re: Antenna wire > > > >> Sorry to ask a stupid newbie question but what is the best wi= re for my > >> aerial ? I had thought about getting a couple of 100m rolls= of cheapo > >> RG58 and soldering the centre and screen together, or is ther= e a better > >> way ? Tony, EI8JK > >> > > > > I have been watching this thread with some bewilderment... > > > > If the antenna you are putting up is a form of longwire, dipol= e > > (shortened I guess..), doublet, G5RV etc then it honestly does= n't > > matter one bit. Any piece of cheap stranded wire will do, and= the only > > requirements are mechanical, ie to ensure it stays up in the= air. > > Normal stranded 19/.76 or whatever will do. Most of us have pl= enty of > > this lying around the shack. There is absolutely no purpose in= using > > coax, or for that matter heavy electrical cable, as you will= struggle > > to keep this horizontal and its weight will soon break the guy= s. > > > > If on the other hand you are talking about resonant loops, the= n it is > > important to keep the dc resistance as low as possible, especi= ally on > > 136 where the radiation resistance is miniscule. When I used= a loop on > > 136 I used heavy gauge loudspeaker cable, readily available in= 100m > > rolls, with the pair shorted to make a single conductor. Don't= bother > > with the 'oxygen free' stuff, that is throwing money down the= drain.. I > > don't think coax, any sort, will give you as low a dc resistan= ce. > > > > 73 Dave G3YMC > > > > http://www.davesergeant.com > > > > > > > > > --=20 http://g3xbm-qrp.blogspot.com/ http://www.g3xbm.co.uk http://www.youtube.com/user/g3xbm G3XBM GQRP 1678 ISWL G11088 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CB1494.5FE946F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Roger
I am only quoting what the MAN said= =20 himself
Am I the only one to twig what= is going on.=20
On an other tack have you noticed the= lack of=20 activity from Scotland these days, due I think to the HAGGIS shooting= season=20 having been extended all year round especially in the Shetlands and He= brides=20
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010= 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Re:= Antenna=20 wire

Mal,

Wire you stirring things up=20 again?

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 25 June 2010 17:55, mal hamilton <g3kevm= al@talktalk.net>=20 wrote:
He=20 is winding u folks up !!!!!!!!!!
A radio amateur for 40 years= and never=20 heard of WIRE

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tony= Baldwin"=20 <ei8jk@o2.ie>
To: <= rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org>
Sent:=20 Friday, June 25, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Antenna=20 wire


> Sorry to bewilder you Dave, but when it comes= to LF=20 wire aerials I really
am
> a complete newbie.
> Alt= hough I've=20 been licenced for over 40 years now, I have spent all my
time> up=20 the "other end" of the spectrum.
>
> So, no I haven't= really got=20 100m rolls of stranded cable kicking around in
> my shack.= I do have a=20 6 foot dish, a couple of 30 foot long 2m yagis etc,
> etc,= so any wire=20 needed for a 136 aerial I will have to go out and buy,
and
&= gt; before=20 I did that I wanted to make sure that I wasn't wasting my money on=
>=20 the wrong stuff, plus wire shops are few and far between down this= neck=20 of
> the woods.
> The only wire locally (nearest 15 mi= les) is CB=20 & TV coax, twin and earth
> electrical and electric fenc= ing wire,=20 anything else is a 120 mile round
trip
> to Cork city or= arm and a=20 leg postage.
> Thanks for the tip about loudspeaker cable,= that might=20 be possible
locally.
> 73, Tony, EI8JK
>
>>=20 ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Sergeant" <dave@davesergeant.com= >
>=20 To: <rsgb= _lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>=20 Sent: Friday, June 25, 2010 9:29 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: Anten= na=20 wire
>
>
> >> Sorry to ask a stupid newbie= question=20 but what is the best wire for my
> >> aerial ? I had= thought=20 about getting a couple of 100m rolls of cheapo
> >> RG= 58 and=20 soldering the centre and screen together, or is there a better
= >=20 >> way ? Tony, EI8JK
> >>
> >
>= > I have=20 been watching this thread with some bewilderment...
> >>=20 > If the antenna you are putting up is a form of longwire, dipo= le
>=20 > (shortened I guess..), doublet, G5RV etc then it honestly=20 doesn't
> > matter one bit. Any piece of cheap stranded= wire will=20 do, and the only
> > requirements are mechanical, ie to= ensure it=20 stays up in the air.
> > Normal stranded 19/.76 or whatev= er will=20 do. Most of us have plenty of
> > this lying around the= shack.=20 There is absolutely no purpose in using
> > coax, or for= that=20 matter heavy electrical cable, as you will struggle
> >= to keep=20 this horizontal and its weight will soon break the guys.
>= =20 >
> > If on the other hand you are talking about reson= ant loops,=20 then it is
> > important to keep the dc resistance as low= as=20 possible, especially on
> > 136 where the radiation resis= tance is=20 miniscule. When I used a loop on
> > 136 I used heavy gau= ge=20 loudspeaker cable, readily available in 100m
> > rolls,= with the=20 pair shorted to make a single conductor. Don't bother
> >= with the=20 'oxygen free' stuff, that is throwing money down the drain.. I
= > >=20 don't think coax, any sort, will give you as low a dc resistance.<= BR>>=20 >
> > 73 Dave G3YMC
> >
> > http://w= ww.davesergeant.com
> >
>=20 >
>=20 >
>
>
>




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