Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7022 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 04:49:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by excalibur-qfe1-smtp-plusnet.harl.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 04:49:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 6911 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2001 04:49:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2001 04:49:41 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15zsYJ-0003FG-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 04:37:03 +0000 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.130]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 15zsYH-0003F9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Nov 2001 04:37:01 +0000 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.181.60]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20011103043547.SXPL5089.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:35:47 +1300 Message-ID: <004801c16421$57f72e80$4cb51bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: Re: LF: Aerial conundrum.... ZL2CA's antenna Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 17:37:32 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jim M0BMU and other readers, I don't think I have a "special antenna" but I have been thinking as to why it is a low resistance system. > I'm still not clear what the configuration above ground of ZL2CA's > antenna was at the time he did his impedance measurements - if it > was 8m high then as it is now, the estimated loss resistance of > around 12 ohms at 136k is extraordinarily low compared with other > antennas of similar size. It would certainly be interesting to know, > since this represents a substantial improvement in efficiency, a > factor of 3 better than mine, for example. One possible reason for my low loss is that one part of the top loading is a delta loop that goes over my house roof, and the roofing material is corrugated iron. Many years back I decided to bond adjacent sheets with stainless steel self tapper screws, and earth the whole roof, so as to guard against intermodulation and harmonics from HF transmitting with 400 watts PEP. The earthed iron sheets are far more conductive than soil, so under that part of my top loading I probably approach "metal ground plane conditions". However, it also is very likely it gives me a significant penalty in effective height. The other side of my top loading is reasonably in the clear, and has fairly good earth radials under it as they were easier to run, as most of the ground is lawn. At the time of the impedance measurements I had a multi-wire fan, with 9 or 10 wires in the fan, to give high capacitance and all wires were at good height. However, it used the street frontage pole originally put there for telephone and mains power reticulation, but I found it very convenient to bang a nail in the top and support LF top loading. As I mentioned earlier, I received a "Dear John" letter about my use of the pole, so I decided to remove my wire, which had a drastic impact on my top loading. Now my resistance increased with the reduced top loading. So in summary, I'm probably doing well on low losses because of the earthed roof, but on the other hand I would rather have an antenna than a low loss capacitor on the end of the transmitter, so there are swings and roundabouts as to resistance and effective height. 73, Bob