Return-Path: Received: from rly-db02.mx.aol.com (rly-db02.mail.aol.com [172.19.130.77]) by air-db08.mail.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILINDB082-aad47d2983a2c7; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:44:37 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-db02.mx.aol.com (v121.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDB023-aad47d2983a2c7; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 08:44:29 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1JXzKm-0007Kg-F9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:43:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1JXzKl-0007KX-Vo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:43:31 +0000 Received: from smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.70]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1JXzKi-00047T-ML for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Mar 2008 13:43:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 37757 invoked from network); 8 Mar 2008 13:42:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=aqQcHpWDjTCjzPEVN9wCcRL3xG0dcnntQNcNk/n+NGyEhhq2+B81oTW4FYlpXIW8yNGQZngrk5zxCTGXhX7BZXyvOltpIuRKTYtTnX3kHpyXlXsPQKLRCx1cqE2jl7yBaHtD1dACSk0mtqDyY+K26KI/UJRhekBurAjAHG7eZG4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO Lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.14.137 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Mar 2008 13:42:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0sD3Su4VM1n1RSDkD0Q_kxIGjaDJji7MbI.ed_BhEF.YF5PrVe5AfcfFRv3lbfbWfaPhjBf.zw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <004301c88122$618a8bc0$0900a8c0@Lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <47D1A6FF.1080803@telia.com> <00d001c8809a$71f10940$0900a8c0@Lark> <001301c880b3$c8f8a9a0$0900a8c0@Lark> <000801c88111$a25c1530$0e00000a@AGB> Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 13:40:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Karma: 0: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Smaller DC feeding choke in class E amplifier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_helo : n X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: listenair ; SPF_822_from : n Hi Graham, well there is not a lot of difference between "pulse amps" and any other sort really from that point of view. The choke "opposes changes in current" and also allows the signal to go to the load rather than be short circuited by the PSU. At HF the situation is slightly different as you can run into resonances as well, but as I understand most mobile phones use Class E for efficiency and battery life in just the same way as we use 'em on LF....that is if you ever switch em on (I hardly ever do !!) Being digital they dont need to be linear. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham" To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Smaller DC feeding choke in class E amplifier > Hi Alan, > > I never could get a handle on using passive components to feed pulse amps , > a sort of > contradiction ? what do they do in a mobile phone ? > > G .. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Melia" > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 12:30 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Smaller DC feeding choke in class E amplifier > > > > Hi Joe , Thanks for the "plug" :-)) > > Yes the circulating currents get pretty large with the low impednces when > > you try to put high power out with 12 supply. It doesnt do some caps a lot > > of good either (think of the current density in the thin foil!). Most of > > my > > tests were done at 35v or higher and that is a lot easier. > > Best Wishes de Alan G3NYK > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 11:47 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Smaller DC feeding choke in class E amplifier > > > > > >> Alan, Johan and group, > >> > >> Since experimenting on LF I have discovered the joys of Class E, > >> many thanks to Alan. My first 100W TX used an IRF-640 as > >> suggested on Alan's web page. A dozen of them could be had for about $10 > >> in 2003. Unfortunately, they are have gone up quite a bit since then, > >> although much cheaper than a 6146! There seems to be a new generation > >> of hexfet such as the IRFP260 and perhaps it might be possible to use > >> this > >> in a 12volt 100w amp. Unfortunately, many 640's came to an untimely > >> demise in my unsuccessful attempts to get 100 watts with a 12 V supply. > >> > >> > >> 73 > >> Joe VO1NA > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 > > 08:15 > > > > >