Return-Path: Received: (qmail 43718 invoked from network); 1 Mar 2005 11:45:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore04.plus.net with SMTP; 1 Mar 2005 11:45:21 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D65q3-000FLy-8q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:46:56 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1D65q1-000FLR-WF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:46:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1D65qY-0003wb-QH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:47:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1D65o8-0002p5-GE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:44:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1D65o8-0002ow-3t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:44:56 +0000 Received: from smtp.bulldogdsl.com.bulldogdsl.com ([83.146.21.7] helo=smtp.bulldogdsl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1D65o6-00055I-Qw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:44:56 +0000 Received: by smtp.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 10CFA1EFA88; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:44:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.33] (host-84-9-70-235.bulldogdsl.com [84.9.70.235]) by smtp.bulldogdsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44101EFC02 for ; Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:44:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [266.5.1]); Tue, 01 Mar 2005 11:44:47 +0000 Message-ID: <004101c51e54$11e9fa80$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200502271724500058.0418698B@mail.zetnet.co.uk><005001c51cf8$524d6c40$10b80150@p2300> <200502281113330523.07EADBD4@mail.zetnet.co.uk> <007201c51d8c$ab993a60$37b80150@p2300> Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 11:44:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 83.146.21.7 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of pncl.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Locators Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) In 1968 I had a long-running correspondence with the RSGB over the IARU adoption of what was then the "QRA Locator"; later to become the "Maidenhead" locator. QRA was first proposed for amateur use by a Czech amateur OK1VR in 1958 and was subsequently adopted by amateurs in all the Warsaw Pact countries. I believe it originated in a USSR military locator system already well understood by them. The Western (NATO) counterpart was the GEOREF system which I described in an RSGB Bulletin article in 1968. The RSGB VHF committee at the time were, somewhat amazingly, unaware of GEOREF and thought that QRA was a totally amateur invention. When I started pushing for GEOREF, a more logical, accurate and simpler system, I was more or less told to keep quiet and stop rocking the boat since the IARU were going for QRA and that was that. The rest, as they say, is history. I forecast at the time that QRA would never have the accuracy required for accurate contest scoring and that's why Maidenhead has become so needlessly complicated. We could also have gone for the well-established world-wide UTM grid but I suppose that would have been too easy. It's all too late to do anything now, of course, but I have never met a professional geodesist who understands why we need Maidenhead. . Walter G3JKV.