Return-Path: Received: (qmail 2234 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2001 20:23:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 6 Jun 2001 20:23:57 -0000 Received: (qmail 16755 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2001 20:23:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 6 Jun 2001 20:23:06 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 157jhB-0007vI-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2001 21:14:25 +0100 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([203.96.92.1]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 157jh7-0007vC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 06 Jun 2001 21:14:21 +0100 Received: from xtr743187 ([202.27.178.144]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20010606201420.KGHG1605144.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@xtr743187> for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:14:20 +1200 Message-ID: <003f01c0eec5$8bbd9780$90b21bca@xtr743187> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <775449.991848311278.JavaMail.computernetworks@gomailjtp01> Subject: Re: LF: Wire in the Air etc Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 08:15:21 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: John G4CNN, > Dick PA0SE mentioned recently that radiation from the loading coil is approximately equivalent to the radiation from a piece of wire of the same length. This must surely mean that the reduction in the size of the loading coil, when one can put more wire in the sky, does not just reduce loading coil losses resulting from the reduced RF resistance of the coil, but perhaps more importantly by moving radiated energy up and away from the earth, where it has some chance of not being absorbed by the immediate environment. You are over-complicating the claim. All that is being said is that if the coil is x metres high, then irrespective of the coils of wire, it is reasonable to include x metres in the consideration of antenna effective height. > If this is so then elevating the loading coil, either by putting it high up the vertical element or simply by raising it as high above the ground as possible must contribute to an improved signal. Presumably as usual this will appear as a reduction in the resistance at resonance. This I think will be my next experiment. Alternatively a longer coil should raise the high voltage part of the coil and also reduce losses. Comments? Lower system resistance allows more current to circulate, for a given applied power. So doing things that lowers system resistance is always "a winner". The height above ground for the loading coil is mainly a matter of impacting on CURRENT DISTRIBUTION and that is reflected in a moderately higher value of radiation resistance. The radiation resistance is very difficult to test, as it is of the order of milliohms versus tens of ohms for other losses. Mechanical support of a low loss LF loading coil is challenge, as is weatherproofing (for high voltage). 73, Bob