X-GM-THRID: 1239052208033674293 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs22831hue; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.123.16 with SMTP id v16mr13170972buc.1181652267223; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id d23si593536nfh.2007.06.12.05.44.22; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 05:44:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hy5g3-0007DQ-1S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:40:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hy5g2-0007DH-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:40:50 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hy5g1-00065Z-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:40:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 66764 invoked from network); 12 Jun 2007 12:40:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=VwWkMxQiIEFWHbGzRqmiWbg+IjFR2agVYWc0R3jJR0CtUwASYSH4JBTbyaBPVSS2FESUN/B17GKZ/sv1XTzRB6GT57wNiH0PdP40fCD3JoKCg7vF38J7HDBLOxTvwlyOiZS0SpPMN/I+Dv5YmQ2Ns16wKBNiZxYD/eFtbipKZFQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.40.35 with login) by smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jun 2007 12:40:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: FPTdNqIVM1ksJxhJ0j0cIHpyFM7VTBfSszmhAZCusnMnfWetv830j_ZVgndYQyekir4kvwuLfw-- Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.472 [269.8.13/844]); Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:40:43 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01c7acee$e4733d60$15337ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000901c7aa26$ecfaff60$82147ad5@w4o8m9> <000d01c7aa8c$6d692860$7c0d7ad5@w4o8m9> <466AB1CB.2060907@telia.com> <001301c7acd6$14f492e0$15337ad5@w4o8m9> <003401c7acdd$ec08ad50$1f03210a@Hugh> Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:40:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Tree current Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7116 Dear Hugh, Dave, LF Group, Certainly in principle it is reversible - I suppose in principle you could use a Rogowski coil as a coupling device, but due to the small mutual inductance between the coil and the "antenna element", it would be extremely inefficient, even before the losses in the wood were taken into account. On the other hand, the conventional cored current transformer would be a reasonable way to match to a very low inpedance antenna - I saw an HF loop design somewhere that used this kind of arrangement. I did check to see if the current was zero when the coil was not around a tree - initially it wasn't, which is why I added the screen, which improved things a lot. It didn't entirely eliminate the residual reading, but reduced it to only a small fraction of the measured current levels. It isn't easy to measure millivolts when you are in a kV/m field! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU