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(VPS 160115-2, 01/15/2016), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Scan-Signature: a5eebf1400afcbaf7aee821a75970899 Subject: Re: LF: activity times and days MF + LF {Decca] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0038_01D1603C.2AEA08A0" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 10.1.3.10 Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6693 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01D1603C.2AEA08A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It was the Decca system that employed "slaves" - Red, Green and Purple. = Decca Navigator and then Racal-Decca had a nice little business going = until GPS came along and spoiled their business case in the 1990s :-( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decca_Navigator_System 73, Dave G3WCB IO80DI ----- Original Message -----=20 From: markusvester@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 1:19 PM Subject: AW: LF: activity times and days MF + LF I think the Loran-C =E2=80=9Cslave=E2=80=9C stations were officially = called =E2=80=9Csecondaries=E2=80=9C, possibly for political = correctness. =20 73, Markus =20 =20 =20 Von: Dr. Wolf Ostwald Gesendet: Freitag, 5. Februar 2016 06:41 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: activity times and days MF + LF =20 Hi Stefan ! no, i was just using the master/slave scheme from LORAN systems as an=20 analogy. As everybody on this reflector is familiar with it ;-) I guess the "master station " should be selected from a view of=20 practicality. It needs a somewhat geographically centered position in = EU=20 plus some technical advancedness. Looks to me as if u are in the bowl :-) And yes, the northamericanos are doing this activity thing quite = nicely,=20 an european counterpart event would be a timely thing i guess. The kite antenna is intriguing but it is not a normal installation and = requires lots of time and weather cooperation. I=C2=B4d reserve that = for TA=20 attempts. Just too much effort for a regular thing to happen. The signals are so loud in EU on MF, even verticals of 10m height only = produce enormous signals. I guess a wide audience can play that game. On the other hand . TGIF !!!! =20 73 de wolf df2py =20 Am 04.02.2016 um 21:40 schrieb DK7FC: > Hi Wolf, >=20 > No no, i don't want to be a master station. And others are no slaves = > at all. My signal may be one of the stronger ones :-) but this does=20 > not rise me in a higher position. > Yes it would be interesting to see what is possible here in EU, an=20 > activity day like the Canadians do :-) Also it would help to = announce=20 > it "officially", i.e. in the local radio magazines! But then this=20 > requires some planning :-) > But it would be nice to do something with a kite again, when = thinking=20 > about events :-) >=20 > 73, Stefan >=20 > Am 04.02.2016 21:06, schrieb Dr. Wolf Ostwald: >> Hi Stefan ! >> well, maybe it would be nice if You can coin an idea about a = special=20 >> activity hour on MF per week. It would be like in them ol` days = when=20 >> coastal radio stns checked into a circuit. >> Just for the fun of it. >> This evening Dk1IS, IK2DED,IK2CLB all with S9+ signals whooping on=20 >> r-CW. No JT or WSPR needed by them ( no pun intended ) >> You could do the master station and call up "the slaves". Should be = >> an interesting picture to see how far European stations could hear=20 >> each other and what area can be covered. >>=20 >> 73 de wolf df2py >>=20 >>=20 >=20 =20 =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01D1603C.2AEA08A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF
It was the Decca system that employed = "slaves" -=20 Red, Green and Purple.  Decca Navigator and then Racal-Decca had a = nice=20 little business going until GPS came along and spoiled their business = case in=20 the 1990s :-(
 
https://en.= wikipedia.org/wiki/Decca_Navigator_System
 
73, Dave G3WCB IO80DI
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 markusvester@aol.com
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2016 = 1:19=20 PM
Subject: AW: LF: activity times = and days=20 MF + LF

I think the Loran-C =E2=80=9Cslave=E2=80=9C = stations were officially called=20 =E2=80=9Csecondaries=E2=80=9C, possibly for political correctness.

 

73, Markus

 

 

 

Von:=20 Dr. Wolf = Ostwald
Gesendet:=20 Freitag, 5. Februar 2016 06:41
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Betreff:=20 Re: LF: activity times and days MF + LF

 

Hi Stefan !

no, i was just using the master/slave scheme from = LORAN=20 systems as an

analogy. As everybody on this reflector is = familiar with it=20 ;-)

I guess the "master station " should be selected = from a=20 view of

practicality. It needs a somewhat geographically = centered=20 position in EU

plus some technical advancedness.

Looks to me as if u are in the bowl :-)

And yes, the northamericanos are doing this = activity thing=20 quite nicely,

an european counterpart event would be a timely = thing i=20 guess.

The kite antenna is intriguing but it is not a = normal=20 installation and

requires lots of time and weather cooperation. = I=C2=B4d reserve=20 that for TA

attempts. Just too much effort for a regular = thing to=20 happen.

The signals are so loud in EU on MF, even = verticals of 10m=20 height only

produce enormous signals. I guess a wide audience = can play=20 that game.

On the other hand . TGIF !!!!

 

73 de wolf     df2py

 

Am 04.02.2016 um 21:40 schrieb DK7FC:

> Hi Wolf,

> 

> No no, i don't want to be a master station. = And others=20 are no slaves

> at all. My signal may be one of the stronger = ones :-)=20 but this does

> not rise me in a higher position.

> Yes it would be interesting to see what is = possible=20 here in EU, an

> activity day like the Canadians do :-) Also = it would=20 help to announce

> it "officially", i.e. in the local radio = magazines!=20 But then this

> requires some planning :-)

> But it would be nice to do something with a = kite=20 again, when thinking

> about events :-)

> 

> 73, Stefan

> 

> Am 04.02.2016 21:06, schrieb Dr. Wolf = Ostwald:

>> Hi Stefan !

>> well, maybe it would be nice if You can = coin an=20 idea about a special

>> activity hour on MF per week. It would = be like in=20 them ol` days when

>> coastal radio stns checked into a = circuit.

>> Just for the fun of it.

>> This evening Dk1IS, IK2DED,IK2CLB all = with S9+=20 signals whooping on

>> r-CW. No JT or WSPR needed by them ( no = pun=20 intended )

>> You could do the master station and call = up "the=20 slaves". Should be

>> an interesting picture to see how far = European=20 stations could hear

>> each other and what area can be = covered.

>> 

>> 73 de wolf  df2py

>> 

>> 

> 

 

 

 

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