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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 14:30:15 -0000
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Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...
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Another script for EPISODE 2 of Dr WHO ???? Coming soon to a WSPR screen
near you??
g3kev

----- Original Message -----
From: "John P-G" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 2:16 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WSPR, QRSS, CW...


> On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:36:32 +0000
> David Pratt <david@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In a recent message, John P-G <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
> > wrote ...
> > >
> > >Where is the requirement to pass any message whatsoever?
> >
> > Clause 1(1)(a) of the Terms, conditions and limitations of your
> > Licence:
> >
> > The Licensee shall ensure that the Radio Equipment is only used:
> > for the purpose of self-training in radio communication, including
> > conducting technical investigations....
>
>
> Self-training = learning something, by your own endeavours
>
> Radio Communications = the whole gamut of science & engineering involved
> in generating, radiating, receiving and detecting signals at radio
> frequencies.
>
> Where does it prescribe that one must pass 2-way messages in real time
> to undertake this "self-training"?
>
> If I decide to spend some time studying how "radio communications"
> might be affected by variations in propagation conditions then why
> shouldn't I collaborate with other like minded operators and pool our
> resources and results.
>
> If at another time I decide to study how "radio communications" might
> be affected by different receiving system architectures why should I
> have to rely on "2-way real time message passing" to quantify my
> results if I can obtain (to me) more useful and interesting results in
> another way.
>
> Perhaps another open-minded experimenter is willing to generate some
> signals for me to study? Perhaps a widely spaced group of them would
> be willing to participate?
>
> Perhaps later the other operator might want to follow his own
> investigation into transmitting antenna design, and I might act as a
> remote measurement facility.
>
> The knowledge gained into "radio communication" is personal to each
> operator - you might get nothing from my own recent investigations into
> "remote HF station control and operation over the internet", and I might
> get nothing from your chat with someone on 80m CW, or your 599TU
> report from Aruba on 40m in a contest.
>
> If you gain some new insight into an aspect "radio communication"
> having 2-way, real-time communications - then great, no-one is
> stopping you.
>
> If I gain some insight into an area of "radio communication" from a
> system like WSPR - then to me that's also "self-training in radio
> communication".
>
> Only a continuous, unmodulated carrier conveys no information (beyond
> its frequency), so all the methods currently being discussed (QRSS,
> CW, DFCW, Hell, PSK - yes even WSPR) are forms of information
> transmission i.e. "message passing" - and thus would fit your reading of
> "self-training in radio communication".
>
> Now, let's all just get on and play radio....
>
>
> John
> GM4SLV
>
>