Return-Path: Received: (qmail 3669 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2002 04:51:22 -0000 Received: from marstons.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.223) by mailstore with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 04:51:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 7985 invoked by uid 10001); 7 Jun 2002 04:55:12 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 7 Jun 2002 04:55:12 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17GBWC-0003ee-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2002 05:38:32 +0100 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.131]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17GBWA-0003eZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jun 2002 05:38:30 +0100 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([219.88.63.7]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20020607043752.WSDK20132.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:37:52 +1200 Message-ID: <003901c20ddd$2a40d2a0$8fb51bca@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Subject: LF: Counterpoise comment Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 16:37:45 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi all, The tests done by Jim, and comments made are all very interesting. The following is a further matter to consider: For any counterpoise system that is elevated and insulated from ground, there will be an "interface" situation at the outer ends of the counterpoise and that could influence the strength of a ground wave lauched from the antenna (assuming the antenna as such can be considered as a separate part of the wider environment). There must be some degree of "mutual coupling" between the elevated radials and the ground. However, despite whatever occurs with ground coupling, amateur LF DX is mostly a result of sky wave propagation. The lower that losses can be made within the antenna, the higher the current for a given applied power, so the better the DX result by sky wave mode. Carrying out field strength readings a few km away would be more of an investigation of the ground wave mode rather than the manner in which the antenna actually launches "rays" that can then reflect off the ionosphere. So it is not easy to investigate the impact of elevated radials with respect to radiating energy that goes into sky wave mode. Most text books are concerned with efficiently launching ground waves and having reliable coverage. The matter of how the antenna launches energy that supports sky wave mode of communication is not so easy to find. Any comments on that? 73, Bob ZL2CA