Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df05.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 1288C380000E4; Wed, 2 Nov 2011 13:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1RLeN0-0003zZ-3N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:12:58 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1RLeMz-0003zQ-Kz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:12:57 +0000 Received: from out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1RLeMx-0001wa-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2011 17:12:57 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjwCABd5sU5cF/Ma/2dsb2JhbABCiTKQPg+OZoEHgQaBbQUBAQUIAQEDSQIQHAEBAwUCAQMRBAEBAQklFAEECBIGFggGEwoBAgIBAYdztS2JEASHVpZ5hyo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.69,444,1315177200"; d="scan'208";a="359950483" Received: from host-92-23-243-26.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.23.243.26]) by out1.ip05ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 02 Nov 2011 17:12:48 +0000 Message-ID: <003801cc9982$a3f0d790$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <002301cc997d$217d8e20$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 17:08:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 5 Whats? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:486164224:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d94eb17a6679c8 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Warren At the present time it is a Bodge anyway. I can understand the commercial interest, also a lot of Hams are not really interested in the band. There are only about 3 UK stns that I hear on the odd time in QSO mode, a few others around EU are belching out beacons and QSL via internet, hardly impressive to those that issue Permits. If the plug was pulled I would not be too concerned because 160 metres is similar but has a big occupancy with QSO MODE being the norm, mostly CW with some SSB. On LF it is the same tale, although this is now an International band there is very little interest, in fact the band occupancy has gone down over the years. It is now the same half dozen on the band daily and mostly Beacon mode qsl via internet. The odd QRS 600000000000 does take place but virtually no CW. At present I would say that LF es MF is a total waste of time and effort I have 4 nice Decca amps Hi Band for 137 going Rusty!!!!!!! in spite of this I am still using my 1Kw h/brew. CQ on CW but no replies. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren Ziegler" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 4:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: 5 Whats? Mal, The maritime industry trade group has been pushing back against hams on 500kHz in the hope that they can persuade governments to fund a new relatively broadband data service there. The maritime group has standing with CEPT and the ITU and they apparently have money and effective lobbyists behind them, the hams on the other hand are left to pick up scraps that fall off the table and are expected to be thankful for them! -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1 On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 12:33 PM, mal hamilton wrote: > MF > How did they arrive at that frequency range? No where near where we are at > present. New VFO'S and Xtals etc > de mal/g3kev > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren Ziegler" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 3:34 PM > Subject: Re: LF: 5 Whats? > > > Hi Laurence, > > 5 Watts? Do we get to have 40 channels and use a 'power mic' with > reverb? > Come On! > > 73 Warren K2ORS > > > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 11:24 AM, Laurence KL7UK > wrote: >> During the meeting of the CEPT WRC-12 Conference Preparatory Group held in >> Bucharest between November 1st-4th 2011 an European Common Proposal was >> agreed. This ECP represents the block vote of 48 administrations and was >> passed without dissent. It proposes an allocation to the amateur service >> between 472-480 kHz on a secondary basis with a maximum power limit of 5W >> eirp. >> This ECP will now be forwarded to the ITU as a contribution from CEPT. >> I would like to take this opportunity to thank all of those who > participated >> in the work of the working group that led to the adoption of this >> proposal. Also thanks are due to those European Member Societies who >> helped to influence their national administrations in this matter. >> Now for WRC-12. >> Colin, G3PSM >> CEPT Co-ordinator for Agenda Item 1.23 >> >> >> Laurence KL7UK >> >> > > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > >