Return-Path: Received: from rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (rly-ma07.mail.aol.com [172.20.116.51]) by air-ma07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMA074-8bc4a044866122; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:57:58 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-ma07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMA076-8bc4a044866122; Fri, 08 May 2009 10:57:45 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M2RVT-0004xC-9G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:56:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M2RVS-0004x3-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:56:58 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-3.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.244] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M2RVP-0004Q6-Vz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 08 May 2009 15:56:58 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao0GAKPkA0pZ8qTH/2dsb2JhbACEUMw0g30F Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([89.242.164.199]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 08 May 2009 15:56:49 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c9cfed$3754c170$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <4A01AEA0.1030308@btconnect.com> <4A01B25C.2040404@btconnect.com> <00a201c9ce65$850fe540$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <6BA400053F4E4A45935BEA7FF2FC10EC@JimPC> Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 15:56:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Karma: unknown: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500kHz Portable Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 Jim You do not need 2 masts for an inv L or T antenna. The so called horizontal wire(s) can slope down and the far end tied to a bush or tree, or a stake in the ground via an insulator, as far away as possible from the vert section, the longer the better. Keep it simple. mal/g3kev ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz Portable > Dear Richard, LF Group, > > I would suggest using an "umbrella" top-loaded vertical using a telescopic > fibreglass mast. From experience, antennas with horizontal sections like > inverted Ls or Ts have the disadvantage of requiring at least two masts > (unless there is a suitable support already on your hilltop), and are a > real > handful when the wind starts blowing due to the masts flexing, requiring > several guys to keep the antenna in shape. The umbrella is somewhat less > efficient for the same overall height, but only needs a single mast, and > the > sloping top loading wires double as guys to keep the mast straight. The > height is the most important dimension. A 10m mast would make a reasonable > 500kHz antenna. > > For a reasonable estimate of antenna capacitance, assume 6pF per meter of > wire. For antennas with a number of wires running close together, such as > an > umbrella, the actual capacitance will be a bit lower due to proximity > effects, but this is a good first estimate. You can use NEC antenna > simulators to calculate the capacitance quite accurately, although the > resistance will probably be way off. Small antennas will have very sharp > resonance, so you will want to add a variometer to your loading coil, or > some other means of fine tuning. G4FGQ's DOS software runs fine in a DOS > box > under Windows 98 and Vista here. > > For insulated ground radials to work well, their capacitance to ground > needs > to be much larger than that of the antenna, so you probably want a few > hundred metres of wire in total. If the ground is soft, a few 1m ground > rods > connected together works well as a ground. > > There is a lot of handy info on LF antennas at > http://www.wireless.org.uk/on7yd/index.htm > > > Hope to work you /P soon... > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > >> >>> Dear all >>> >>> I am hoping to be granted an NoV for portable operating on 500kHz. I >>> have parts on order for the GW3UEP Economy transmitter which will be run >>> on 12 Volts. Suggestions for portable aerials that can be set-up by one >>> person on remote and windy hilltops will be most welcome. >>> >>> 73 >>> >>> Richard >>> G3CWI >>> > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.19/2099 - Release Date: 05/05/09 13:07:00