Return-Path: Received: (qmail 21014 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 08:44:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 08:44:34 -0000 Received: (qmail 22395 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2002 08:44:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 13 Feb 2002 08:44:26 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16auyT-0003BW-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:41:09 +0000 Received: from ns1.connectfree.co.uk ([212.1.130.32]) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 16auyS-0003BR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:41:08 +0000 Received: from [212.1.156.1] (helo=dave) by ns1.connectfree.co.uk with smtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16av3T-0001vr-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:46:20 +0000 Message-ID: <003701c1b46a$2257d880$019c01d4@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: Loop comments (again) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:37:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From Dave G3YMC My loop has been in use for well over 3 years now, so the following may clarify recent discussion and surprise some used to 'conventional' vertical antennas. 1. Loops are largely unaffected by ground resistance. There is a small earth coupling loss which reflects to a series loss resistance. The actual mechanics of this I have never understood, but the effective resistance of this is no more than 0.5 ohms. There is no connection whatsoever between my loop and real ground (the tx is grounded to mains earth), and the lower leg of my loop is just one foot above ground. This is the big advantages of loops - they are effectively independant of earth losses. On this basis there is a limit to how low you can sensibly make the wire losses. My loop has a dc resistance of 0.1 ohms - it is constructed of 30A speaker cable, two conductors 2.5mm diameter paralleled. Because of the reflected earth loss (0.5 ohms) and skin effect losses increasing the wire size or using Litz would be a law of diminishing returns. 2. Matching is via a capacitive network, there is no lossy loading inductance in the system at all. Q is high, and bandwidth is about 100Hz. Contrary to what has been suggested, the resonance is stable and has stayed within a few hundred Hz all the time it has been up. Match at resonance is always 1:1 (and an swr bridge is a far more relevant tool for loops than an rf current meter). Sometimes the wire sags after wind and resonance shifts by 300Hz or so - retensioning the loop quickly puts it back. In heavy wind there is some evidence of match change but never anything dramatic. The only effect seen is temperature coefficient change in the matching network capacitors - between a cold winter morning and midday summer the resonance moves up by a few hundred Hz. All these changes can be accomodated by changing the switch settings on my match box. In a word, my loop is 'rock stable' and has needed no attention for 3 years. It is always available for transmit with no messing about. Not so my vertical. Bearing in mind it is not helped by a 300 ohm earth loss, and the fact that the tuning is very broad anyway, in the short time it has been in use it has gone off resonance/match after any small change in conditions - rain, frost, wind etc. It is infinitely more effected by the elements than the loop, and needs constant attention to keep it in a useable state. Hope this clarifies a few things. Dave G3YMC dsergeant@iee.org dsergeant@btinternet.com http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk