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>Do what you like but leave me OUT
>G3KEV

I vote for yahoo.)

73
Clemens
DL4RAJ



  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: mal hamilton
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:17 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE


  A moderator !!!!!!!!!!!!! or a censor !!!!!!!!!! and if you have an opinion that differs from 
others you should be BANNED.
  No discussion, no debate in other words a DICTORSHIP, hardly democratic.
  What next ???????????
  I can manage without any of it and get on with amateur radio and experimentation. These past 
few days without the reflector has not hindered my amateur radio activities and I do not need to 
be vetted by others !!
  Do what you like but leave me OUT
  G3KEV

    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Alberto di Bene
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
    Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 5:17 PM
    Subject: Re: LF: An "LF-reflector" Yahoo group instead .....PLEASE


    On 5/24/2012 6:33 PM, g3zjo wrote:
      Why not go for it and start it yourself.
      We know some will not move so it will be an additional facility. Please make sure it is 
has no taboo, f
      frequencies, modes, opinions, or subjects rules, and no childish sulking.
    Another suggestion is to not make it an open group, meaning that each request for membership 
should be
    accompanied by a very short introductory message explaining why that membership is 
requested.
    Then the moderator(s) of the group will decide whether to accept it or not.  I suppose the 
same is done
    presently with the Majordomo mailer.

    And, if that introductory message is convincing, but up to a point... then the moderator can 
accept the individual,
    but putting him in moderation status, meaning that every message from him must be examined 
by the moderator(s)
    before being published.  The moderation status can be removed after a couple of legitimate 
messages from the guy,
    showing that he is not a troll or spammer.

    I use this method on my soft_radio  Yahoo group
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/soft_radio/
    with more than 2300 subscribers, and, if memory serves, I had just a couple of cases where a 
spam message
    got through in more than 8 years of the existence of that group.

    73  Alberto  I2PHD


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2 face=3DArial>73<BR>Clemens<BR>DL4RAJ</FONT></DIV>
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