X-GM-THRID: 1229829294059303417 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.115.73.6 with SMTP id a6cs310569wal; Fri, 2 Mar 2007 09:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.67.96.14 with SMTP id y14mr3715269ugl.1172856611060; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:30:11 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id a1si3297531ugf.2007.03.02.09.30.09; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 09:30:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HNBUo-0000V8-S4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:24:42 +0000 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HNBUn-0000Uz-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:24:42 +0000 Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.141]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HNBUi-000270-Ou for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:24:40 +0000 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HNBUc-0004M7-Bb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Mar 2007 17:24:30 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 17:24:20 -0000 Message-ID: <003601c75cef$a056a300$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <8bf118410703020602r127f963ewec69e2f1f3e872c6@mail.gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RFI from 136kHz transmissions Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0037_01C75CEF.A056A300" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3784 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C75CEF.A056A300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In the discussion that I am currently having with Ofcom over the RFI assessment for 501-504kHz applications, the question has been raised as = to whether interference has been noted with nearby neighbours, etc, from = the transmissions at 136kHz. The licence allows operation on 136kHz without = any RFI assessment. It would be helpful to have honest feedback on this if anyone has examples to offer. In such cases I would like to know details = of the aerial, distance to the neighbour concerned, power into the aerial = and approx ERP, and likely cause (if it's other than straight V/m) and cure. It would also be worthwhile knowing those who have done significant operating using up to the 1W erp from aerials that are in close = proximity to the neighbours, e.g. 5 to 10m or so, and not had any RFI problems.=20 Not sure the best way of doing this, but rather than clog up the = reflector with replies it might be best for people to e-mail me directly.=20 I will of course collate the data anonymously; it could make life a bit easier if I could convince Ofcom that from a practical perspective = -10dBW at 500kHz isn't going to cause much problem as far as RFI is concerned. Of course that may be pre-judging the facts! 73 John, G3WKL=20 RSGB HF Manager g3wkl@btinternet.com ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C75CEF.A056A300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message

In the discussion that I am currently having with = Ofcom over the=20 RFI assessment for 501-504kHz applications, the question has been raised = as to=20 whether interference has been noted with nearby neighbours, etc, from = the=20 transmissions at 136kHz. The licence allows operation on 136kHz without = any RFI=20 assessment. It would be helpful to have honest feedback on this if = anyone has=20 examples to offer. In such cases I would like to know details of the = aerial,=20 distance to the neighbour concerned, power into the aerial and approx = ERP, and=20 likely cause (if it's other than straight V/m) and cure.

It would also be worthwhile knowing those who have = done=20 significant operating using up to the 1W erp from aerials that are in = close=20 proximity to the neighbours, e.g. 5 to 10m or so, and not had any RFI = problems.=20

Not sure the best way of doing this, but rather than = clog up the=20 reflector with replies it might be best for people to e-mail me = directly.=20

I will of course collate the data anonymously; it = could make=20 life a bit easier if I could convince Ofcom that from a practical = perspective=20 -10dBW at 500kHz isn't going to cause much problem as far as RFI is = concerned.=20 Of course that may be pre-judging the facts!

73 John, G3WKL 
 
RSGB HF Manager

g3wkl@btinternet.com

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