Return-Path: Received: from rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (rly-dd06.mail.aol.com [172.19.141.153]) by air-dd01.mail.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILINDD011-b814b2cdd0f3de; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:03:06 -0500 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-dd06.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINDD063-b814b2cdd0f3de; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:02:56 -0500 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzog-0001zo-6s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:57:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1NLzof-0001zf-Qd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:57:53 +0000 Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.67]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLzrv-0002XY-H8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:01:18 +0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=WWupFfKWN1ZoSH6iL7UAyaJ5f2xuuk5j5v2NmXnzEESmdGqM/AVJOyjdJeZ75208; h=Received:Message-ID:Reply-To:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [4.240.15.222] (helo=ctrask) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NLzsS-00006y-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:01:48 -0500 Message-ID: <003301ca80b3$eed331c0$de0ff004@ctrask> From: "Chris Trask" To: References: <38A51B74B884D74083D7950AD0DD85E828ACB3@File-Server-HST.hst.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de> <346854e9698cbf94f4483c66682bb63b.squirrel@webmail.xs4all.nl> <001e01ca80b0$392cb0b0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:02:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-ELNK-Trace: b77fdb70683249914713efb067f9a722239a348a220c2609f61652768550a3049424e4d75ab48e23350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.240.15.222 X-Karma: unknown: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Noise cancelling by using optic transmission of RX signals Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 > > > I think the role of the ground with active whips is often neglected - the > > output of the whip preamp is the voltage differential between the whip > > element and the circuit ground, so the ground connection is just as much > > part of the antenna as the whip element itself is. > > That's an important point that is often overlooked or ignored. A mini whip > mounted up at 5 meters is a 5 meter antenna. You can easily prove this by > mounting it at ground zero on top of a ground > screen. Been there, done that. > I can see how this would be true if the preamp is connected to the "actual" ground, meaning the earth's surface, and the whip. But the connections from the ground and whip to the preamp would also constitute an antenna since they are exposed to the EM field and cannot be of zero length. You could, however, condition the whip to avoid this. By using a coaxial cable of some sort from the ground to the whip, the inner and outer conductors would have the same voltage induced by the EM field and then TEM coupling. A transformer winding would have a first winding connected from the inner conductor to the whip, and a second winding from the outer conductor to the preamp. That would subtract out the voltage resulting from the path to ground. Chris