X-GM-THRID: 1223641586424225293 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.70.56.11 with SMTP id e11cs428635wxa; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.201.10 with SMTP id y10mr2429502huf.1166955554301; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:19:14 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 35si15599780huc.2006.12.24.02.19.11; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:19:14 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GyQOB-0007Bb-33 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:15:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GyQOA-0007BS-Kh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:15:30 +0000 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GyQO7-0006JN-Py for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:15:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 37826 invoked from network); 24 Dec 2006 10:15:22 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=52mCBmu87xN2TD/CjME30GTOwscxFn31w1SQTPSonuYLqLLVkjwd2ZdesicXd6roAUXRnhYn3OUjerJq/rphDIp8GsVI2Og3Htz57fIKppafQbkbDP0lgwgcU63OFcpQo+BiVjEXLrjEpfVhULomLr5fASuBglEtQ0/y+oqvIvw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.38.27 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Dec 2006 10:15:21 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: goHd5pAVM1lROipqDqfdS8Za_fX3BmzLz0vvUxZAs.B4HLMKPflyhsQEGU3iPTP_dF0Rvy.BDMC4N5wO9oU5ppVZR53mKfPbc4MIpumZxfvIVJ0bqw61euq5VxLMer262sohF_yrnxvVPaTV9n.VTAQbVXuzoulewJWupCuuema.s5pLEHodXBHngg-- Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.409 [268.15.26/600]); Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:10:49 +0000 Message-ID: <003001c72743$c95dac80$1b268351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <458E2E8A.2020306@freenet.de> <458E394C.7010505@usa.net> Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2006 10:10:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: SAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 3291 Dear LF group, Good reception of SAQ here, another opportunity to get out the electromechanical RX, and to try out SM6LKM's SAQrx program, also with good results. Small frequency errors are usual with SAQ's signal - if you watch on a spectrogram during the tuning-up periods, it is often apparent frequency adjustments are being made. PA0SE some time ago provided the circuit schematic for an Alexanderson alternator TX. From this, the speed / frequency control of the alternator seems to work in two ways. One uses an AFC-type arrangement to generate a feedback signal which controls the motor speed. The tuned circuit in the AFC system is effectively providing the carrier frequency reference. The other is a feed-forward compensation that increases the driving power to the motor when the key is down to compensate for the increased mechanical load of the alternator. Also, tuning the antenna would change the alternator output current, and so the loading on the motor. I think some inter-dependent adjustments must be required during each transmission to get the frequency correct, and at the same time maximise antenna current and minimise "chirp" on keying the TX. But considering there is no precision "clock" to set the TX frequency, and the electro-mechanical nature of the control system, keeping it within 0.1% of nominal frequency is pretty good. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU