Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16432 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2002 15:55:20 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Nov 2002 15:55:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 22170 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2002 15:55:14 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Nov 2002 15:55:14 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18Gi2g-0007zr-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:54:30 +0000 Received: from [206.173.118.93] (helo=uhura.concentric.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18Gi2f-0007zi-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 15:54:29 +0000 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net [Concentric SMTP Routing 1.0] id gAQFsQC04076 for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from jka ([208.37.242.34]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id KAA20440; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:54:25 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <002e01c29564$7e6965e0$09dc9384@jka> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 10:57:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: loop antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01,USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Bill, > I suggest the transformer approach because when the loop conductor will have > some leakage current to the trees (it's small Mal ) and this will be > minimized if the loop is allowed to float relative to ground. Of course, you could just add a 1:1 transformer on the "50 ohm" side to float the ground. The 2-capacitor method does have the advantage of permitting precise impedance transformations. It has the disadvantage of requiring two vacuum variables at amateur power levels. > My latest loop experiment is an octagonal TX loop with 3/4" X 10ft sides > with a calculated Rac of .045 ohms for the conductor alone. Hope to be able > to show that the ground loss tapers off to near 0 ohms when it's raised it > to 50ft. If it doesn't fall off significantly, this may show the reflected > radiated field absorption in addition to the magnetic field absorption is > part of the Rac equation. Has anyone performed or know of an experiment like > this at LF? If radiation reflection is at work here it may be possible to > add a ground screen to improve matters. Last winter, when I ran the "legal loop," I found that laying out several 40 foot strips of chicken wire made no difference on the impedance bridge readings. That antenna was 15 meters in circumference, done with a cage of four #8 wires spaced about 10 cm on centers. John Andrews