Return-Path: Received: (qmail 79622 invoked from network); 11 May 2004 00:09:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan03.plus.net) (212.159.14.237) by ptb-mailstore04.plus.net with SMTP; 11 May 2004 00:09:35 -0000 Received: (qmail 45658 invoked from network); 11 May 2004 00:09:34 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore03.plus.net (212.159.14.217) by ptb-mxscan03.plus.net with SMTP; 11 May 2004 00:09:33 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1BNKpx-000Bcr-Nw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 11 May 2004 01:09:33 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BNKp6-00052L-H0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 01:08:40 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BNKp5-00052C-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 01:08:39 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay.salmark.net with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BNRNU-0001AG-S3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 May 2004 08:08:36 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@81.131.219.184 with poptime) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2004 00:08:31 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <002b01c436ec$1a078a20$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001701c43602$1b335540$2102000a@ibm> <000601c43608$23aa0600$6507a8c0@Main> <000f01c436cf$d3b681a0$2102000a@ibm> Date: Tue, 11 May 2004 00:57:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=1.052,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: TX-ouput transformer problems--part 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dick, I am not totally sure of the design, but I believe the transformer does NOT resonate with the drain capacitor. I believe to work best the circuit is close to Class-E operation The drain capacitor determines the optimum power level. Energy stored in the drain choke should flow into the capacitor when the FET switches off. I am not sure of the design conditions but this is the same effect as in my single-ended Clas-E PA experiments. The best literature on these designs is by Nathan Sokal and Fritz Raab. Nat published a paper in QEX about 3 years ago on Class-E designs. Raab has published papers and books on alternative configurations, bothe single ended and push-pull. Though there are "tuned circuits" in the high efficiency stages they are NOT resonant at the operating frequency, but usually about 10% lower in frequency !! As to the cores I think you are on your own there as each specimen will probably be slightly different. I think it may be better to try to find some large (not split) toroidal cores from old switch-mode PSUs and wind these to the reactance formula once you find how the permiability of the cores compares with 3C89s. 70uH should be about enough for the transformer winding. That is about 60ohm at 137kHz, and the PA drive impedance is in the 10 ohm range. The problem may be the variability. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick" To: Sent: 10 May 2004 21:29 Subject: LF: TX-ouput transformer problems--part 2 > Well, thanks all for your comments and tips. > It helped me, and I got some ideas about what > might be wrong. > > I soldered out the transformer, and did some > measurements on it. > Dispite all precautions I found that apperantly the > 2 core halves didn't make an ideal contact. > Pressing the two halves did gave a large difference > in inductance......... > To give you an idea, it changed from 70uH to over 130uH........ > Now I have to find a creative way to put them under a > continue pressure, also when temperature changes, and > without making a short......... > I think this is the main disadvantage of using these cores. > Of course one clever guy can make an adjustable pressure > system, allowing to 'tune' the coil........... > > I guess that the coil should be in resonance on 137kHz together > with the 10nF drain capacitors, which means roughly somewhere > around 126uH for each coil part....... > > Hope to find some time this week to do this......but busy..... > > 73 Dick, pa4vhf > > >