Return-Path: <majordom@post.thorcom.com> Received: (qmail 4196 invoked from network); 22 May 2002 20:34:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO marstons.services.quay.plus.net) (212.159.14.223) by exhibition.plus.net with SMTP; 22 May 2002 20:34:36 -0000 Received: (qmail 4226 invoked by uid 10001); 22 May 2002 20:38:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (193.82.116.70) by marstons.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 22 May 2002 20:38:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Aclq-00013X-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 May 2002 21:31:42 +0100 Received: from www.gardaol.com ([195.223.232.51] helo=netregister.it ident=root) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #2) id 17Aclo-00013S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 May 2002 21:31:40 +0100 Received: from ik2dedlibero (brescia17.phoenix.it [213.82.97.81]) by netregister.it (8.11.4/8.11.4) with SMTP id g4MKVZa13928 for <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; Wed, 22 May 2002 22:31:35 +0200 Message-ID: <002901c1e03a$01a06b60$516152d5@it> From: "Giulio Scaroni" <scaroni@phoenix.it> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c201b5$c3b19a20$39e9fc3e@l8p8y6> Subject: LF: Re: bandwidth Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2002 04:47:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: <majordom@post.thorcom.com> Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META content="MSHTML 5.00.2919.6307" name=GENERATOR> <STYLE></STYLE> </HEAD> <BODY bgColor=#ffffff> <DIV><FONT size=2>Hi Mal,</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>i not agree with your comment, here i have made many test with narrow band in QRSS, but using or not using an external DSP is exatly the same, i have aTimewave 599zx, but for qrs no difference.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Also, with narrow bandwidht in IF stage from 2.3 Khz to 250 is the same when you using the PC and sound card, the only thing is that if we have an interference in IF bandwidht is better yes the narrow IF filters.(here in Italy with only 4 active LF station we do not have this problem, hi hi hi)</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Another thing to remember is that with crash like the tundestorm, the narrow filter make the impulse much more longer than with wide filter, with DSP filter this situation is not present...., so with crash better is wide filter and then dsp filter made by FFT PC program.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Another situation in aural CW, the narrower bandwidht the better is the reception, also in IF and AF with DSP.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>Last qso that i have had with M0BMU, was in aural cw but signal was audible only with 20 Hz DSP filtering and narrow filter in IF stage!!!</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT size=2>73 to all de IK2DED Giulio</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Some recent comments seem to indicate that all selectivity should be left to the FFT when using computer derived programs like ARGO and associated type programmes for narrow frequency modes like QRS. </FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>My approach is to feed the RX audio to the computer sound card at the narrowest bandwidth possible, in the case of the pegelmessers at 20 hz b/w. When using conventional receivers with b/widths around 200 hz I then use an external audio DSP unit and again reduce the bandwidth to the narrowest possible. Weak signals stand out a lot better when using this method. On normal cw signals using the most narrow bandwidth possible, commensurate with speed, makes a big difference to hearing the signal. Signals that are barely audible with a 300 - 1000 hz filter are perfectly readable with a 20 - 50 hz filter, the signal over noise is improved dramatically.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The same applies to all modes of signal, minimum bandwidth to achieve the object.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is normal commercial practice but some radio amateurs are still working in the dark.</FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>G3KEV</FONT></DIV> <DIV> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>