Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15217 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2001 22:55:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by excalibur.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 2001 22:55:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 17628 invoked from network); 26 Jun 2001 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 26 Jun 2001 22:55:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15F1ex-0004mu-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:50:15 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176] helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 15F1ew-0004mp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:50:14 +0100 Received: from [62.7.24.172] (helo=default) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.22 #9) id 15F1eH-0001mU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:49:33 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c0fe92$0f0d8b00$ac18073e@default> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: freq: monitor ?? Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2001 23:44:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Hi Pascal I am sure you will get lots of answers to your question so I will reply to you directly. The secret of 136 operation is in the antenna. Most particularly in reducing the ground loss to as low as possible. Your 40m dipole with the feeders strapped and then fed via a loading coil and variometer should work ok. You will need some work on grounding (earthing....such as counterpoise or buried earth wires) just like for an HF vertical but it is even more important to good signals on 136kHz. Often receiving is the most difficult to solve. Many receivers are insensitive on 136kHz. You should be able to hear the idle tone of the German utility Station DCF39 on 138.830kHz at about 20db over S9 (or about 500uV at the input from the antenna) if you system is working properly Please remember that Steve has been active for about 3 years on LF and has optimised his antenna system, but his maximum distance on the 'Marathon' was about 100miles (160kms) In France you do not have many active stations so you may not be within range of a qso with only 5watts. I would suggest you should think of at least 50watts, which is fairly easy to generate. In the early stages as you optimise your antenna and tuning you may find QRSS operation usefull. It is very much easier to copy in the summer when the band is full of static. 3 second 'dot-length' QRS can be copied on a computer DSP with a 0.3Hz filter bandwidth at about 20dB lower level than audible morse-code. Steve's transmitter has it's uses also for antenna experiments, and measurements, and is fun if there are stations in range you can work. Like QRP on other bands, it may not be the easiest way to start making qsos on 136kHz. I recommend you look at Rik's web site (I am sure you already have done this) he has a very good 'tutorial' on antennas and also on DSP reception. www.qsl.net/on7yd There is no coordinating frequency on HF for 136. Activity levels are low at the moment, but most announcements of activity are made on this reflector, also there is some information via the DX Cluster. My local DX Cluster distributes 'spots' right across Europe. Some Cluster software allows the frequenciy to be entered correctly ( 136.5 ) some older software only allows the 'spots' to be entered at 1800.0 with the detail in the comment field, so look at both if you decide to use the DX Cluster. Best activity times are Saturday and Sunday mornings. It was thought that the best time was early when the noise was low. My propagation studies are showing that this may not be so. The quietness may be due to a collapse of the propagation at dawn. Signals are usually quite good from 0700z until 1200z. Whilst loop antennas may be usefull for a noisy location, or if you have strong qrm. There is a general agreement amongst the UK amateurs that a good wire antenna will give a better signal to noise on a very weak signal that a loop. It is difficult to retain enthusiasm when you are struggling alone with a band like 136kHz. Please use the reflector as a 'club' and ask for help when you need it. There is a lot of experienced operators reading the mail here, who are available to help you. Dont worry about your English....you would probably not understand my French at all !! I am available most of the day and listening most days. Please try to give us about 24hours notice of your activity period and I am sure there will be stations looking for you. 73 de Alan G3NYK Alan.Melia@btinternet.com -----Original Message----- From: f6kaw radio club d'ivry To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 26 June 2001 20:25 Subject: LF: freq: monitor ?? >>>From Pascal, F5PNP.... >