Return-Path: Received: from rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (rly-mf07.mail.aol.com [172.20.29.177]) by air-mf07.mail.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILINMF072-9724a126db016d; Tue, 19 May 2009 04:28:53 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by rly-mf07.mx.aol.com (v123.4) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINMF078-9724a126db016d; Tue, 19 May 2009 04:28:33 -0400 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1M6KfW-0003n6-1J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:27:26 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1M6KfV-0003mx-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:27:25 +0100 Received: from ttsmtp-2.cpwnetworks.com ([62.24.128.243] helo=ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1M6KfT-0000V5-0z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 May 2009 09:27:25 +0100 X-Path: TalkTalk-smtp X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkYGALsJEkpOlWMm/2dsb2JhbACCIy+CAYc8BoFDwBKEAQU Received: from unknown (HELO mal769a60aa920) ([78.149.99.38]) by ttsmtp.cpwnetworks.com with SMTP; 19 May 2009 09:26:15 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c9d85b$79d9cbf0$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <57a24ca70905170742m1675e435n9e2e09dcf618d291@mail.gmail.com> <20090517222630.ae0y0n55sb7ookoo@webmail4.kuleuven.be> <004c01c9d7e6$3d175900$0301a8c0@mal769a60aa920> <8CBA607C4722FC0-157C-146@webmail-dd01.sysops.aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:26:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9D863.DB5914A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=CLICK_BELOW,HTML_20_30, HTML_LINK_CLICK_HERE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-AOL-IP: 193.82.116.20 ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C9D863.DB5914A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does it matter if one is first or second, its the quality of signal that cou= nts, and if I remember there was a lot of GUESSWORK at the time, all sorts o= f claims were made and most were wishful thinking !!!!!!! As far as I am concerned the callsign must be identified and not part of a d= ash seen on a screen. Mal/g3kev ----- Original Message -----=20 From: g0mrf@aol.com=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: JA ops And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QSOs both in= volved stations south of Watford.=20 Dream on Crazy diamond. David Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on= 136 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling i= n that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=20 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as=20= Scotland and still do. -----Original Message----- From: mal hamilton To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops This is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs t= o know about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP.=20 Early UK experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 1= 36 and could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in=20= that area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time.=20 Some how the big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Sc= otland and still do.=20 There were also some big signals from EU at the time, unfortunately now al= l gone QRT, all active on CW. =20 =20 G3KEV=20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" =20 To: =20 Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM=20 Subject: Re: LF: JA ops=20 =20 Hi Warren,=20 =20 depends on what you call a neighbour.=20 In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to 400km under=20 similar conditions.=20 =20 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T=20 =20 Quoting Warren Ziegler :=20 =20 > Tnx Laurence,=20 >=20 > If he's running 25W into a 25m (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will=20 > have to get some of his neighbors on.=20 >=20 > 73 Warren K2ORS=20 >=20 > On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China >=20= wrote:=20 >>=20 >> Ive asked Hiroshi for more details and passed reflector and info sites=20= - >> fyi=20 >> 73 Laurence KL1X in windy BY3A=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: ja3vqw Hiroshi=20 >> Hi Laurence=20 >>=20 >> Thanks for your e-mail.=20 >> Yes, I got license form the department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) la= st=20 >> month.=20 >> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but I have not got QSO >>= wit h=20 >> any station.=20 >> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob 136KHz.=20 >> So if you find my signal please QSL me.=20 >> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W.=20 >> The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long.=20 >> 73=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! 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Does it matter if one is first or second, i= ts the=20 quality of signal that counts, and if I remember there was a lot of GUESSWOR= K at=20 the time, all sorts of claims were made and most  were wishful thinking= =20 !!!!!!!
As far as I am concerned the callsign must=20= be=20 identified and not part of a dash seen on a screen.
Mal/g3kev
 
----- Original Message -----
g0mrf@aol.com <= /DIV>
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:41 PM<= /DIV>
Subject: Re: LF: JA ops

 
And yet, the first transatlantic cross band and 136kHz - 136k QS= Os=20 both involved stations south of Watford. 

Dream on Crazy=20 diamond.

David
Early= UK=20 experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and=20 could not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in tha= t=20 area. This info appeared in the LF comic at the time. 
Some how=20= the=20 big signals eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and=20 still do.



-----Original Message-----
From: ma= l=20 hamilton <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27
Subject: R= e:=20 LF: JA ops

This=20 is a meaningless argument about 25 watts and range on LF. One needs to kno= w=20 about the actual antenna in use and the resulting ERP. 
Early UK=20 experimenters in the South only managed a few hundred metres on 136 and co= uld=20 not be heard North of Watford and most are still struggling in that area.=20= This=20 info appeared in the LF comic at the time. 
Some how the big signa= ls=20 eminated from the Midlands and North as far as Scotland and still=20 do. 
There were also some big signals from EU at the time,=20 unfortunately now all gone QRT, all active on CW. =20
 
G3KEV 
 
----- Original Message ----- From:=20= "Rik=20 Strobbe" <Rik.Strobb= e@fys.kuleuven.be> 
To:=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blac= ksheep.org> 
Sent:=20 Sunday, May 17, 2009 9:26 PM 
Subject: Re: LF: JA=20 ops 
 
Hi Warren, 
 
depends on what you c= all=20 a neighbour. 
In the early days of 136kHz I worked stations up to=20 400km under 
similar conditions. 
 
73, Rik ON7YD=20= -=20 OR7T 
 
Quoting Warren Ziegler <wd2xgj@gmail.com>: 
 
>=20 Tnx Laurence, 
> 
> If he's running 25W into a 25m=20 (horizontal?) wire on 136kHz he will 
> have to get some of his= =20 neighbors on. 
> 
> 73 Warren=20 K2ORS 
> 
> On 5/17/09, Laurence BY3A-KL1X China <= ;hellozerohellozero@ho= tmail.com>=20 > wrote: 
>> 
>> Ive asked Hiroshi for more= =20 details and passed reflector and info sites - >> fyi 
>&g= t;=20 73 Laurence KL1X in windy=20 BY3A 
>> 
>> 
>> From: ja3vqw=20 Hiroshi 
>> Hi Laurence 
>> 
>>=20 Thanks for your e-mail. 
>> Yes, I got license form the=20 department of Telecom in JA ( Sohmu-sho) last 
>>=20 month. 
>> I make CQ many times everyday around 1200 UTC but= I=20 have not got QSO >> wit h 
>> any=20 station. 
>> I guess there a very few licensees in JA ob=20 136KHz. 
>> So if you find my signal please QSL=20 me. 
>> My TX is modified IC-731 output 25W. 
>&g= t;=20 The antenna is long(short?) wire 25ms long. 
>>=20 73 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>=  
>> 
>>=20 Hotmail=C2=AE has ever-growing storage! Don=E2=80=99t worry about storage=20= limits. >>=20 Check 
>> it out. 
>>=20 _________________________________________________________________ >>=20 Insert movie times and more without leaving Hotmail=C2=AE. 
>&g= t; http://windowsl= ive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/QuickAdd?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_QuickAdd1_= 052009 
> 
> 
>=20 -- 
> 73 Warren K2ORS 
> WD2XGJ 
>=20 WD2XSH/23 
> WE2XEB/2 
>=20 WE2XGR/1 
> 
> 
 
 
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