X-GM-THRID: 1207003870988988079 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 44fba188c9648e90e2d57cf1a090423f45e20979 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs7560wrc; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.90.8 with SMTP id s8mr3261167nfl; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l32si706926nfa.2006.06.24.02.33.51; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu4UU-00071X-Nd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:31:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu4UU-00071O-85 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:31:46 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fu4UR-0006lg-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:31:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 66144 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 09:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.22 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 09:30:37 -0000 Message-ID: <002601c69770$d9f4d3b0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <00a701c696f5$5231ff00$5ac428c3@captbrian> <001101c69757$d0da6380$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <002e01c6976a$63f891c0$121686d4@captbrian> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:30:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.162 Subject: LF: Re: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5304 >From G3PLX: Brian said: >Why struggle with a short whip when on flat roof of many buildings is space >for a 70 foot horizontal ? The important thing is to maximise the RF current flowing 'into the sky' and minimise the RF current which is just flowing back round behind you into the earthy side of your transmitter. So whatever it is you are using as a way of generating an RF current in the top of the tower, it needs to be 'out there' rather than 'in here', otherwise the current just flows in a small loop at the top of the tower, with no associated radiation resistance. I think there's a law of physics which says that the effectiveness of an antenna is a function of how much of the sky you can fill with wire. It must ultimately derive from Murphy's law, which is best stated as "If something is going to be really worth doing then it's not going to be easy". 73 Peter