X-GM-THRID: 1212509151608325109 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a7da3a48f9410c7e158fcc9e82fdbd4f7f94826d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.16 with SMTP id w16cs516qbh; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:15:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.55.13 with SMTP id h13mr821672nfk; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l32si64571nfa.2006.08.29.03.00.10; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 03:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1GI0IO-0003sr-GL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:54:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1GI0IN-0003si-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:54:11 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.67]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1GI0II-00023v-Pj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:54:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 2378 invoked from network); 29 Aug 2006 09:54:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=t7ZGFHlPmCp2WczZ9GXFc3pCl5hpfuANpp0vn8AV7MlAbFi3IjvnJf+meYwUk0EINvMPeVjNFHcEeHVjCr77b2To/lUMDljL2DKbcgt9pSqkXgpUd+YSy0it39ynt2F05lQxuK7jtv3W1rAdOApjeDi2tBmfl+YLbtdarumh2pM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.27.116 with login) by smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Aug 2006 09:54:00 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c6cb51$0e692880$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <584.3adc3c8.3224be5f@aol.com> <001c01c6cb25$9d825270$0100a8c0@W1KW> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:30:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.671 Subject: Re: LF: DCF39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4528 Hi Geri, mmmm I hope not, because random changes in level will kill it as a useful beacon source, and relagate it to the category of QRM. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW To: Sent: 29 August 2006 05:43 Subject: Re: LF: DCF39 Hello Markus, very interesting graph. I guess at the currently high energy costs someone at the Europ�ischen Funkrundsteuerung GmbH (EFR) must have started to think if it is really necessary to put a 40 to 50 kW permanent carrier on the air to remotely switch on and off street lamp. These 3 dB steps might be tests for a system to reduce the carrier level at least between the telegrams to save costs. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW / W1KW / DI2BO ----- Original Message ----- From: MarkusVester@aol.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:47 PM Subject: Re: LF: DCF39 Dear LF group, stimulated by Jim's observation of DCF-39 outages, I set up SpecLab's plotter to monitor the 138.83 kHz carrier from Sunday afternoon till tonight. The two dark blue traces show the maximum and mininimum amplitudes within each two minute measurement interval. The usual 3 mV/m carrier, attenuated at the passband edge, places the upper trace at about 40% relative magnitude. The minimum trace reflects the energy spread during the short telegrams, about -8dBc when smeared by 0.34 Hz resolution bandwidth. On Sunday afternoon, I aurally observed many short interruptions, where the carrier went off completely after a telegram, and ramped back up after a couple of seconds. These appear as dips to zero in the minimum trace. There was also a long outage between 12:00 and 14:15. Another interesting feature is the apparent power switching. These 3 dB steps were again accompanied by short breaks, and occured at 20:40 (up), Monday 5:40 (down), 7:40 (up), 8:50 (down), 9:10 (up), 9:35 (down). The light blue trace shows the recorded azimut, which should of course be constant and due north. The irregular nighttime variations are usually introduced by ionospheric multipath. However the slower daytime deviations (300 to 350 degrees) are an artifact due to E-field antenna detuning by moisture. This "summer antenna" is a just piece of wire strung among the branches of a fir tree, and series resonated with about 10 mH. Whenever it starts to rain (which was often, e.g. at 16:05), its phase is retarded and the apparent azimuth deviates clockwise, letting the SXV trace on my grabber display turn from orange to greenish (makes sense doesn't it ;-) I have tried to minimize this by loading the antenna with a high receiver input impedance, but there is probably also a direct dielectric effect disturbing the local electric field. The red traces and dots are for SXV around 135.75 kHz. They show the usual morning and afternoon fieldstrength minima, as well as the same weather artifacts in azimuth. 73 and best wishes Markus, DF6NM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --