Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14514 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 12:14:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 20 Jan 2005 12:14:39 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crb8v-000BeO-4D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:10:30 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Crb8t-000Bd7-4M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:10:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1CrbD3-0005HE-5t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:14:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CrbBw-0002xB-88 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:13:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CrbBu-0002wp-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:13:34 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-01.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.71] helo=smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1CrbBq-0008IA-SC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:13:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 17467 invoked from network); 20 Jan 2005 12:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2005 12:13:11 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c4fee9$5312e9c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c4feac$b818ce80$6401a8c0@eagles> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2005 12:12:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.71 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Coil Winding, de VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) J - Bill Bowers has spent a lot of time evaluating coil construction techniques. I don't know if any of his articles from The Lowdown are available on-line. If not, they should be! From memory, here are a few of his conclusions: -Many of the rules for MF and HF coils do not apply at LF. Most of the losses are simply due to the RF resistance of the wire. The best Q at LF will generally result from creating the desired inductance with the least amount of wire. To that end, coils with a diameter of (2.5 x length) give the best Q. This is contrary to MF/HF practice! The best wire is Litz, with hundreds of strands of fine gauge wire. But if you stick with the 2.5xlength form factor, you can do very well with plastic-insulated solid conductor wire. Inter-winding capacitance is not a big issue, so basket-weaving does not have the benefit that it does at high frequencies. If I recall correctly, the same applies to turn spacing -- you want to achieve your inductance with the minimum length of wire, and spacing the turns will cause you to use more wire. When all is said and done, there is no sense in quibbling about fractions of an ohm when your ground loss is 20 ohms! Anyway, if anyone can point Jay to Bill Bowers' articles, it would be appreciated. John Andrews