Return-Path: Received: from mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.64.213]) by air-me06.mail.aol.com (v129.4) with ESMTP id MAILINME064-8bb74d867e6325d; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:23:31 -0400 Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df01.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id C570438000088; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Q1R0d-0008F1-O2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:22:03 +0000 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Q1R0c-0008Es-QS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:22:02 +0000 Received: from qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Q1R0a-0006pA-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:22:02 +0000 Received: from omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Ma7j1g0031uE5Es58aMuB1; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:21:54 +0000 Received: from JAYDELL ([76.23.233.102]) by omta16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id MaMr1g00D2DDHkk3caMstd; Sun, 20 Mar 2011 22:21:53 +0000 Message-ID: <002301cbe74d$385936e0$8d01a8c0@JAYDELL> From: To: References: <008001cbe71a$472d7b00$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <1300648453.2368.16.camel@gerhard-desktop> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:21:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: VLF Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40d54d867e6200ac X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none Gerhard Nice looking coil. What are you using for a form? Jay W1VD WD2XNS WE2XGR/2 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerhard Hickl" To: Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: LF: VLF > Hello Mal, group! > > As far as I know, Markus and Ossi both use multi layer coils. They are > very compact but with the known problems regarding insulation. I think > Markus meanwhile has also a single-layer "stack"-type...some flower pots > building a stack. > > My coil is a single layer type with variometer inside. Basically the > same design that Stefan has in use, just a bit bigger. > > It is calculated for about 100m vertical wire (=roughly 600pf, pretty > much the same as my fixed antenna has) and the inductance is about 450 > to 575mH. DC-resistance is about 140R. > > I will have to make some taps for longer wires (kite) but I had no > chance to give it a try. > > See the two pictures enclosed. > > I was transmitting from about 00:00z today until now on 8969.98 with a > break of about 90 minutes in the early afternoon. I switched to full > power roughly at 10z. The power I used before was about 6db lower in > order to maintain safety while the equipment was unattended. This > produced a nice trace on Paul's receiver. > > > 73 > OE3GHB > Gerhard > > > > > > Am Sonntag, den 20.03.2011, 16:17 +0000 schrieb mal hamilton: >> It looks like all VLF acty has ceased today. No indication about what >> is going on. >> Those using large coils to resonate kites and balloons, are these >> coils single layer or pile wound, multi layer etc >> A lot of turns would be needed for single layer and insulation >> breakdown could be a problem for pile/lump wound. >> de mal/g3kev >> > >