Return-Path: Received: (qmail 29559 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 10:29:08 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by netmail00.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 10:29:08 -0000 Received: (qmail 5830 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 10:29:08 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 10:29:08 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19jz3O-0003lO-V9 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:28:30 +0100 Received: from [212.159.14.219] (helo=netmail01.services.quay.plus.net) by post.thorcom.com with smtp (Exim 4.14) id 19jz3K-0003lB-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:28:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 6883 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2003 10:27:56 -0000 Received: from ctuash.plus.com (HELO Hugh) (212.159.90.113) by netmail01.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 2003 10:27:56 -0000 Message-ID: <002201c35b3c$10787140$3704210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c35b35$42695720$2fe086d4@bryan2> Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:26:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Radials Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=5.0tests=ORIGINAL_MESSAGE,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hello Bryan, group, I look forward to working the (first ?) 136kHz Maritime Mobile station this coming winter. I assume the maximum height for flying kites is still 60m even when you are on the water. (I watch windsurfers doing amazing things with kites - becoming airborne for several seconds at a time.) If you could contrive to operate your station from a boat it would be an interesting experiment, and possibly very effective, keep us posted !. 73 Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 9:52 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Radials > I spend time in winter on a 30' sail-boat in salt water. Mast height about > 40 ' .Lots of steel rigging and a Ally. . mast.. Can I expect miraculously > low 'ground' resistance?. I'll just have to sail 3 miles offshore USA > unless 136 licences become more readily available. Why does 'Kite' keep > coming to mind? > > Bryan > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Dennison > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Date: 05 August 2003 09:30 > Subject: LF: Re: Radials > > > >> The site here is surrounded by cotton woods, birches and firs. This > >evening > >> I put out few 1/4Y radials, Yep some 550 meters in length each, but > >theyve > >> done nothing/zilch to probably override the lossyness of this site to > >local > >> flora and sometime fauna, but I had to try; Still 2-3 amps is 2-3 amps, > >and > >> Im wondering how long it is before the beacon is heard somewhere. > >> Laurence KL1X/WD2XDW Anchorage > > > >This test tends to confirm that what we call "earth losses" are often not > >actually due to the resistance of the earth connection, but to absorption > by > >vegetation, buildings and even hills. I once ran out a long radial - though > >only 300m - and that did not improve my 100-ohm loss. It appears that the > >site is of great importance, and there is a practical limit to the antenna > >'gain' at any location. Factors such as height and ground covered by the > >capacity hat are still worth improving if possible, though in many urban > >areas these are limited by space and neighbours. > > > >Mike, G3XDV > >http://www.lf.thersgb.net > >==================== > > > > > > > > >