Return-Path: Received: (qmail 52236 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 23:13:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore03.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 23:13:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 4611 invoked from network); 12 Mar 2004 23:13:11 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 12 Mar 2004 23:13:09 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1B1vq0-0000a5-Oq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:13:08 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1B1vpB-0006Vh-Ky for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:12:17 +0000 Received: from [194.73.73.176] (helo=protactinium.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B1vpA-0006VY-T7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:12:16 +0000 Received: from [213.122.136.177] (helo=Main) by protactinium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1B1vpA-0001V9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:12:16 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <001f01c40887$797a93a0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501c40873$45a32ec0$2201a8c0@k7t> Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 23:12:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: Re: VLF Antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Walter, I have drawings of the original Cutler aerial in Watt (I think it was) ...I was given a CD copy by Frank Gentges at the Englefield Green HFC. You already sent me the full text of Pierce's memoires and very interesting they are as well. It was interesting to pass on to a Yank (who had worked there) that the efficiency of Jim Creek and Haiku was not all it was cracked up to be, by station "folklore". It would have been interesting to disconnect the miles of earth wire at Cutler to see what difference it made to the efficiency. I am convinced the performance of that aerial is due to the disc-like top-load. This is just as described by Meissner (used at Nauen) in the appendix to the new Handbook. The Germans could not afford the cooper after 1919 and had to make best use of the stakes they could afford. My guess is that the salt water is not far down into the ground at Cutler, and I reckon those wires are just acting to feed back the current collected at their ends to the transmiter ground terminal. As Cutler's Goliath has been felled we shall never know. These old VLF aerials are much more like amateur LF aerials that the long verticals in commercial use. The latter DO need the radials to be efficient, with good grounding under the feed point. Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Blanchard" To: Sent: 12 March 2004 20:44 Subject: LF: VLF Antenna