Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27118 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2001 10:17:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO murphys-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.225) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 28 Apr 2001 10:17:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 26128 invoked from network); 28 Apr 2001 10:17:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by murphys with SMTP; 28 Apr 2001 10:17:25 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14tRWv-0001IY-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:00:45 +0100 Received: from protactinium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.176] helo=protactinium) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14tRWu-0001IR-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:00:44 +0100 Received: from [213.122.235.244] (helo=dave) by protactinium with smtp (Exim 3.03 #83) id 14tRWJ-0004LU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:00:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c0cfca$3bb5fda0$f4eb7ad5@dave> From: "Dave Sergeant" To: "rsgb_lf_group" References: <001c01c0cee7$3843ab60$ba62883e@g3aqc> <000601c0cf47$124ae620$a7ce28c3@ericadodd> Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re. Pre-amps Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:00:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From Dave G3YMC Peter G3LDO wrote: >I have made a number of LF loops and have not had much luck with pre-amps; >they all seemed a bit noisy or I found there were lots of signals around >that shouldn't be there This probably shows the problems of preamps which are broadband with no selectivity other than that of the loop itself. My transverter does have a preamp in it, but it is preceded and followed by a parallel tuned circuit at 136. A minimum of two tuned circuits was found to be necessary to get rid of the 60kHz/198kHz intermod product on 138kHz. I suspect, apart from Luxembourg effects we often see on DCF39, most of the reported problems with IMPs from the BC band (not just loop preamps) are due to insufficient front end selectivity. I am following this thread with interest because as you know I use my transmitting loop as an excellent receive antenna. I do not (yet) have a vertical resonant antenna for the band - I would be interested in Steve GW4ALG has any problems in loop detuning from his main antenna, as his loop is of similar dimensions to mine. 73s Dave G3YMC dsergeant@btinternet.com dsergeant@iee.org http://www.dsergeant.btinternet.co.uk