Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-df06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id 5E94438000181; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 12:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1QvXLK-0003sa-19 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:27:18 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1QvXLJ-0003sR-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:27:17 +0100 Received: from nm3-vm0.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([212.82.108.88]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1QvXLI-0002bu-0J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:27:17 +0100 Received: from [212.82.108.229] by nm3.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 16:27:09 -0000 Received: from [212.82.108.227] by tm2.bt.bullet.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 16:27:09 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Aug 2011 16:27:09 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 923491.57682.bm@omp1004.bt.mail.ird.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 41846 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2011 16:27:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=f1ILJJwyrp08c5CUwkH8pRJH5RVYkW74r2KE/cvNiSMNWlzgs8a6k8TA2zKGGZFp9nqnoeIfjeAZb5UnE6u1oMptwVl9q8QCyThQfppADdAyf/hz1OSs6jzrMn2n/ImyNk02eY/U2nbel3XwCC9+Ch/yLCOy4GrhnprC6F6Qrao= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=btinternet.com; s=s1024; t=1314030429; bh=HsXAReTfaFxxLV1TgXPNfOCtFS7AVCv/w32B9LATcHY=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:X-Antivirus:X-Antivirus-Status; b=dSn3NK6YCVG1mJn2aheKpHlApst7h+yl3JnJwfR+BAh746sD2WD3DaMyb3FaEXuk8apN4fBsMMMdwcwv5TixyZTHF9OnMAvitCBpsNZ51DHBNDGd4OzKnuG5eLez7H9CJosxU5svFQBW76QoIpnuBU6VwyL241hoeQw4+qCOcDs= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: xTo_zIAVM1mlNgukd7iwdFU_zGPwM2RNQ7vnz2ax8N8m9Hw Ao76SEQGv_112Oyx8xM5yv56avBYVkjComdDrIsBVDBCXBMWgfbJD9icWWCw dVcL6Sey6SPAjwlecEbIMv83KAvODQ3yu57swbTlXSFWWb0Ss9gIItqAV9Ta X3K92UayGuMfZEQTU_fMR8WEmoTu8MgUuL5GPlnjlJ670Onugkfue7KwwuTW NfWDLV4BsCfkPBCHztebbqGZbVtz0JKF6AryVVMk1WGqdNKn_ec2oEinboKp V1Av01YvPtcty5.BbtCTHMhAw7inU.zLHzI.FCwYO_dWFnP4aIYge47HJriu MTWo5GimAc.RZTAZ95KabqjTj_l4YXrBRRrbUh_qfLnkSsm_ngwSJkCN7gpC o.1NwjA-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: fpz.2VeswBBs59bVshRPmMN51lcO2lgFRIvE4XTqE8dRwOxd70E- Received: from lark (alan.melia@109.157.119.82 with login) by smtp820.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 2011 16:27:09 +0000 GMT Message-ID: <001e01cc60e8$66e98180$4001a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <16BC8B3CA8672445BC2A29B4C14A26D4379ED2AAB4@exlnmb01.eur.nsroot.net> <4DF9EFD1.5010208@iup.uni-heidelberg.de> <1313780109.51443.YahooMailNeo@web111907.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <9CD1E11E8BC9402CB4AECECAC4088443@JimPC> <00f801cc6004$c2282bd0$1502a8c0@Clemens04> <004801cc6055$87313f20$4001a8c0@lark> <1313971196.2595.7.camel@pat-compaq-evo> <035601cc6065$67f3dc20$66a5fe04@ctrask> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 17:27:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 110822-0, 22/08/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Ferrite wideband antennas? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:465973600:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-m008.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : pass x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d40da4e52838d3698 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none I think in theory that patent is then null and void!! However theory and practice are in theory the same, but in practice they rarely are :-)) Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Rabson" To: Sent: Monday, August 22, 2011 4:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Ferrite wideband antennas? >From an engineering point of view, a scientific theory does not have to be true. It just has to be useful. That is, it enables us to build something to meet our needs and for an acceptable cost. For the FSL antenna to be taken seriously, we need one or more examples of successful implementations, preferably combined with a set of formulae from which we can construct devices to meet our requirements. The same applies (by the way) to the Cross Field Antenna. I have read the patent specification and I cannot see from that how to build something for 137 kHz, even though the inventor assured me it could be done. John F5VLF