X-GM-THRID: 1208155718140728924 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 277285d6dc6ce808699b4526917df762948d66c9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs159107qbh; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 05:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.93.15 with SMTP id v15mr428006nfl; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 05:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si8144557nfb.2006.07.06.05.40.10; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 05:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyT60-0005yZ-CJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:36:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyT5z-0005yQ-Mq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:36:39 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyT5w-0003K1-Kl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:36:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 83700 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 12:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.159.202 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 12:35:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c6a0f8$ab3a8330$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:35:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.130 Subject: LF: Re: Loading Coil Q Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4894 >From G3PLX: Gary: You say you don't have a Q meter, but it's very easy to improvise one, if you have a means of generating RF at 136kHz and a means of measuring RF voltage. Set up your LF transmitter to deliver an output of 1 volt across a suitable low-value resistor, for example a 1 ohm resistor which is in series with the earthy end of a 50 ohm dummy load. Check with your RF voltmeter that it is 1 volt. Next connect one end of the inductor you want to measure to this 1 volt source, then a suitable capacitor down to ground, so you have an L-network. Move the voltmeter so it's across the capacitor, and tune to resonance at 136kHz by adjusting the capacitor. In other words, tune for maximum RF voltage across the capacitor. If your source voltage was indeed 1 volt, then the voltage across the capacitor at resonance is numerically equal to the Q factor of the circuit. If the source voltage wasn't exactly 1 volt, or it's dropped a bit due to the load of the test circuit, then calculate the Q from the ratio of the two voltages. Note I said "Q of the circuit". Clearly you need to be sure you are using a good quality capacitor if you want this technique to actually measure the Q of the coil. And of course the voltmeter must not load the circuit, or it will reduce the Q. You could even improvise the voltmeter, since you are just measuring a ratio. The actual voltage itself doesn't come into the equation. What I have described here is actually what happens inside a traditional Q meter. Note that if your transmitter doesn't output a sinewave, then there will be some error in this measurement. You could minimise this by replacing the 1 ohm resistor by a capacitor. A capacitor of 1 ohm reactance would be 1uF at 136kHz, but don;t just use any old capacitor. Don't use an electrolytic, use a polyester one if you have one that big, or if not, use the biggest one you can find. 73 Peter