Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12321 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 21:01:01 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 21:01:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 8443 invoked from network); 15 Apr 2003 21:01:03 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 15 Apr 2003 21:01:03 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 195XX5-0001kn-TL for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:59:59 +0100 Received: from [62.253.164.44] (helo=mta4-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 195XX1-0001kd-4J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:59:55 +0100 Received: from ian ([62.252.210.151]) by mta4-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20030415205953.XSYZ11888.mta4-svc.business.ntl.com@ian> for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:59:53 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c30389$be512e20$97d2fc3e@ian> From: "Ian Kyle" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 21:00:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: The Mystery - continued. Part the second. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0tests=noneversion=2.53 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.53 (1.174.2.15-2003-03-30-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false my thanks to all for the responses both direct and via the reflector to my plaintive bleating. Today being a glorious day hereabouts I said "thehellwithit, hang the expense", and took m'lady out for lunch and a look at the Irish Sea so only one experiment done That experiment confirms that WHATEVER configuration of other earths is used, the system prefers to have the coil earthed back along the screen of the coax and then by any tortuous route you care to use through the shack to the mains and the station earth. Any attempt to go direct to the special point so thoughtfully provided by a caring owner and it goes into conniptions. Wherefore the action described in the PS will be the one adopted! However further attempts will be made to measure various resistances, impedances etc by isolating the BK from ground completely and using it (fed by a battery operated wide range oscillator) as the generator for 'on frequency' measurements as suggested by Alan. Use of elevated radials as mentioned by Mal and Alex is a non starter for various reasons, which include washing lines; cupressus lylandii; the assortment of apparatus used by visiting grand-children, and most importantly marital QRM. The antenna is shunt fed against ground at the 4-8ohms o/p impedance of the BK. Attempts to get it to feed a toroidal 4:50ohm transformer without getting its knickers in a twist have been fruitless. I am only prpared to spend so much on fuses, so I harked back to a piece of wisdom gleaned from a well known bar-room philosopher in early adulthood; - 'if at first you don't succeed, try try try again and then - give up, because there is no sense in being pigheaded about it' and found a matching point that worked. The fact that the RF gets there by courtesy of about 25ft of RG213 with some horrendous SWR is, I submit, an irrelevance at that kind of frequency. The antenna current sensor toroid is located about a foot above the coil round a short length of plastic conduit which carries the 'vertical' lead of the antenna through the top of the 'dogbox' up the inside of a ceramic insulator which is the antenna anchorage point. It is hard to see how this could respond to anything other than antenna current, the vast majority of which ultimately goes to comfort the worms. The antenna itself is a 'bonsai' crib of the WWVL and WWVB antennas. (http://www.boulder.nist.gov/timefreq) Four poles of 10m height at the four corners of a 40ft(approx) rhombus carry a closed loop which has the diagonal corners joined and also an additional 6 wires running in the spaces between the longer diagonal and the perimeter of the loop. >From the centre point of the shorter diagonal and spaced 1ft each side, three wires form the 'vertical' element. About 200m of assorted bare, and insulated, stranded nominal 1sq.mm wire used and the natural resonant frequency is 1.55MHz. I model it as 730pF and 15 uH, and sucks to anyone who says substantially different. The 'R' of the system is the subject of ongoing negotiation. Will now take time out for a while to actually use the sodding thing. 73 de, Ian GI8AYZ/MI0AYZ Alan; re. the meerschaum. If you substitute beer for baccy and modify your input suction arrangements to swallow rather than inhale, then a one pint bowl seems to me to be just about right!