Return-Path: Received: (qmail 7186 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2004 17:53:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Aug 2004 17:53:51 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bw2ml-0000YI-8z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:57:44 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1Bw2ml-0000YF-6t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:57:43 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1Bw2j0-000K36-1W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:53:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Bw2iJ-0003dQ-Ss for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:53:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Bw2iJ-0003dH-Dz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:53:07 +0100 Received: from h14.rdg.cp.net ([209.228.29.64] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1Bw2iF-00014T-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 18:53:07 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.250) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.030.2) id 411CE1AB0000CB2D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:52:56 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01c4808b$184067a0$fae8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c48034$daba1760$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> <005f01c481cd$d16bd3c0$15bc0150@captbrian> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:40:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 209.228.29.64 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_40_50=0.474,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 137 khz acty Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

----- Original Message -----

From: captbrian

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 8:10 AM

Subject: LF: Re: 137 khz acty

I'm confused by the jargon now . QRS is plain ole' slow speed morse. QRSS 3 is very slow with 3 second dots for machine reading?

What is QRS 3

As far as I am concerned QRS means slow morse, as slow as you want it to be. There is no such designator in international procedures as QRSS. This is something invented in recent times for LF activity and means nothing to the general amateur radio community.

QRS 3 would normally mean reduce speed to 3wpm, but in LF circles it means speed is 3 sec dots, QRS 30 means 30 sec dots. I suppose one should say QRS 3 SEC or QRS 30 SEC for computer generated and received CW.

This is what I understand for machine assisted CW. I normally work only CW except under exceptionally circumstances when the other station cannot send normal CW.

I am surprised that a G3 would be so confused, I cannot say I have ever heard or seen signals from G3GVB and your broken English is hard to understand for us where English is a second language.

The majority of signals that I see on QRS are perfectly workable on normal CW. The exception might be someone on QRP which means as low power as you want or on LF is it QRPP.

Stick to established procedures and avoid CONFUSION

de G3KEV

G3GVB

----- Original Message -----

From: hamilton mal

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 7:22 AM

Subject: LF: 137 khz acty

Three stations active yesterday evening around 2000utc.

M0BMU qrs 3

DL2HRE fsk

G4WGT qrs 3 ANT TESTING. good loud signal suitable for CW working and louder than M0BMU.

73 de Mal/G3KEV