Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12657 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2001 14:06:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO warrior-inbound.servers.plus.net) (212.159.14.227) by 10.226.25.101 with SMTP; 7 Mar 2001 14:06:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 2351 invoked from network); 7 Mar 2001 14:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by warrior with SMTP; 7 Mar 2001 14:06:27 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14aeRU-0003Dz-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:57:28 +0000 Received: from tomts6.bellnexxia.net ([209.226.175.26] helo=tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #2) id 14aeRS-0003Du-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Mar 2001 13:57:27 +0000 Received: from server1 ([216.209.110.132]) by tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.16 201-229-121-116-20010115) with SMTP id <20010307135601.RTLI25007.tomts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@server1> for ; Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:56:01 -0500 Message-ID: <001d01c0a70e$7691a0d0$0a00a8c0@ThreeLakes.ca> From: "Larry Kayser" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.1.16.20010307120313.08b7191a@mail.cc.kuleuven.ac.be> Subject: LF: Intercontinental modes - what next? Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2001 08:56:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: Jim and the others who have commented - Wonderful, a great start to a discussion that is needed at this time of year. I offer that there are two, as I see it, distinct directions we are moving to, the first is the use of DFT processes for detecting power in smaller and smaller buckets (read as longer and longer information bits) and secondly those who are into using information coding to decrease the time for the transfer of information at the expense of needing a higher level of signal. The later is what I consider to be the more tranditional mode of amateur radio operating. Jim's three step "wish list" is an excellent documentation of the second mode, a more traditional orientation, of item two above. I wish those who wish to focus on what I call the second mode well, and good luck going down that road - I however will not be with you in that area of focus for next year. For the rest of the 2001 spring season I am available to run long duration 90 second per bit QSO attempts or to have a special session of transmitting WOLF data if there is any interest in Europe in having such a test session. WOLF is extremely difficult for me to send, the I/O implementation choosen by Stewart when mixed with my situation here makes if very difficult - but if there is interest I am available to run a couple of overnight tests before the end of this season. I have loaded 18 hours of WOLF in one file, in 25 minute segments, thank goodness for 30 gigabyte hard drives! I will have to build up some hardware and do a fair amount of software to make WOLF work from here - if the interest is present I will do it. The operative words here are to set a time period and a reasonable level of participation from Europe. My work going forward from here will focus on extream weak signal detection which continues with the goals I set here when I came to the LF community some 18 months ago. My focus will now shift to Time and Frequency coherency to not worse than a part or two in 10-11th. I now have GPS controlled systems at both my home and the remote site, they are not yet complete but they exist and will be completly functional by the fall. The status of LF operation from Canada remains tenuous. The TransAtlantic II project that was the basis of Canadian participation on LF has been eclipsed from bordering on believability and achievability a year ago to common practice in so short a time as to place in question much of the "common wisdom" of the day. A plan for an LF allocation in Canada is before our regulatory authority, the issue is - will enough time and resources be available to do the work of authorizing general use of the LF band be available in the near future? The next issue is how many amateurs will build the systems and learn the tricks to have an active LF community - there will be at least a year of growth needed. With just three transmitting stations in Canada now we have seen the limits of LF paticipation, aural only operation only by Jack, VE1ZZ, and severly hampered (foliage challenged) LF operation by Mitch, VE3OT and my own setup here in eastern Ontario. The situation of an LF allocation in the United States is certainly not understood by myself - but it can be said there is a community waiting for the opportunity to make use of an LF allocation, but at the moment there is no certainty of participation and this community will need growth time as well. This being said, there is also some opportunity in the information coding area. WOLF uses an internal synchronization process, very costly in information bits. There are opportunities in Time Coherency as well as the Turbo Product Codes that are achieving very high levels of performance approaching the Shannon limit. (By the way Dr. Shannon passed away only a month ago I learned in yesterday's newspaper). I personally want very much to understand these coding processes and demodulation/modulation methods enough to write my own code and experiment with them on the air, this is the only way I will return to the information coding area of operation that I mentioned above. The current operational status from here is that I continue to see many trace level weak signals from Europe almost every night. Many of them are using bit rates that result is complete smearing here and are not readable at all. I have tested the 7 level FSK coding on 160M and as well on 20 Meters (hiding in amongst the DX Beacons on 14100 kHz - they are spread out over about 150 Hz - terrible waste of spectrum Hi). I do not recommend this work go further, there is far greater value in the information coding mentioned above and it is important to focus our efforts in order to make meaningful progress. I have no idea why but I have still not seen a single recognizable DFCW signal on this side of the Atlantic. The two different directions that I mentioned at the start of this memo, DFT with longer and longer bits, and the use of information coding to increase the signalling rate are I suggest critical to the evolution of LF. I ask each of you to consider and comment on this segmentation and what you see as your participation in the "speaking slowly" mode of operation. I am keen to find others to work with in this area of extremely weak signal communications. I encourage others who might wish to focus on really really weak signal work to contact me directly. Larry VA3LK