X-GM-THRID: 1207994692215571596 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 54492dc4c7850a783eff33012a7761060e71c6d0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs105126qbh; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.249.6 with SMTP id w6mr3483521nfh; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 10:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si6028917nfc.2006.07.04.10.18.31; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 10:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FxoTa-0007iz-7T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:14:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FxoTZ-0007iq-IZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:14:17 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FxoTV-0006bU-K5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 18:14:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 19647 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2006 17:14:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.88.82 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2006 17:14:06 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01c69f8d$49035c80$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 18:06:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.988 Subject: LF: Re Antenna tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5418 Hi Again, Ok the capacity is is the right ball park. I estimate 1200 to 1350pF, because I am not sure what the effective capacity per metre is at that height ...I think it tapers off to about 5pF per metre as you go up. That means you need around 0.9mH to 1mH to resonate it. If your variometer, or the total loading inductance, is in that area then you are not tryng to resonate it at a harmonic as I worried about. It should be fairly obvious I guess now as you would need to only have about 240uH in the variometer to be resonating at 270kHz. If you dont have an "inductance meter" coving that range a quick count of the turns and a measuremnt of the diameter pumped into Reg Edwards SOLNOID3 program will give an esimate of the the inductance which should be a good guide. So 1). Measure the variometer and look for about a mH The next area where there could be a problem is the hardline resonating with the tapped portion / link coil. I am not sure about this but I think this could be a problem if the variometer is not big enough (bigger than would resonate at the harmonic ) but if the antenna is off resonance it will present a odd impedance to the end of the coax. Now 75m of 50 ohm coax is going to look like 7500pF. That would only require about 45uH of inductive reactance to resonate at 270kHz.. So too many tap turns and you might get misleading results. I think it is only possible to calculate the tap point or link turns if you know the resistance you are trying to match......and most of this is ground loss so a bit of an unknown. I dont know what best to suggest now other than to test the antenna at the load coil so you are not working over a long length of coax. I would use a small simple bridge to do this. With a resistive bridge the null will be deepest when the antenna is resonant, then look to find a 50 ohm impedance tapping point. One problem with LF bridges on antennas is that the antennas do pick up a lot of signal from BC stations and beacons which are way of frequency so you really need a tuned detector rather than a simple wideband RF milli-voltmeter as most simple bridges use. When a bridge is working properly the nulls are excrucatingly narrow, it is very easy to miss them and often very difficult to set the pot in the right position. If the nulls are wide and poorly defined then the antenna is either not resonant or you have a big received signal. Sorry to hear about your sympoms, I have lived with that in my family and I know the effects. Keep the "little grey cells" working as hard as you can and try and stave off the development. It seems to be like physical exercise that strengthens the muscles and helps stop us "oldies" falling over and breaking things. I hope that is useful. It is difficult to help at this sort of distance with only text as a guide. Possibly other can add useful comments or ideas....most of us have fought with LF antennas in some way, before we finally got then "tamed". Best Wishes Alan G3NYK