X-GM-THRID: 1246846798684106604 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.86.2.20 with SMTP id 20cs30161fgb; Fri, 7 Sep 2007 03:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.32.9 with SMTP id k9mr1170376ugj.1189159345496; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g30si3455475ugd.2007.09.07.03.02.21; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:02:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) client-ip=193.82.116.20; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) smtp.mail=owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1ITaZq-0007SL-Lj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:56:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1ITaZp-0007SC-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:56:37 +0100 Received: from pih-relay06.plus.net ([212.159.14.133]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1ITaZl-0001Pe-Ov for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:56:37 +0100 Received: from [212.159.90.113] (helo=Hugh) by pih-relay06.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1ITaZY-0003Uk-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Sep 2007 10:56:20 +0100 Message-ID: <001901c7f135$54c4c1d0$1f03210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh_m0wye" To: References: <7.0.1.0.1.20070907191758.019b2b98@xtra.co.nz> Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 10:56:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-Karma: 0: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: BOG - Beverage on the Ground Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 570 Hello Group, According to the Services Textbook of Radio, the Beverage is one of the few aerials which works best over ground of poor conductivity. This is because the wavefront is slowed down near the partially conducting ground and "tips forward" and develops a horisontal component. The ratio of the horisontal to vertical components is about 2% over good soil and 8% over poor ground, giving an angle of tilt between 1 and 4 degrees. As far as I can see it has very little to do with the height of the wire above ground, much more to do with the length of the wire. Any ground radials for other aerial will probably have a bad effect as it will reduce ground resistance. It says it makes a very inefficient transmitting aerial. I made a scale model of a Beverage and tried it at 2m, just as an experiment. It was about 2.5 metres long, The thin wire was glued to the side of a wooden batten, and there were earth spikes at each end with the load resistors. I picked up local repeaters with it, and it was definately directional, but obviously several S points down on a 1/4 wave. Finding flat enough bit of ground in the garden was a problem ! I wish I had a sheep field to make a big one in. Hope it works well. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda Hayes" To: Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: LF: BOG - Beverage on the Ground > At 01:28 a.m. 7/09/2007, you wrote: >>Hi LF gang, >> >>In my sked last night with Finbar (best conditions for some weeks) we >>discussed mini-beverage antennas laid directly on the ground. I've done >>a Google trawl and there's a bit evidence that they work well. >> >>I have a need to keep things low-profile due to all the adjacent fields >>being used for sheep, so running a long (100-200m) wire on the ground is >>attractive. I could even run it outside the fenceline along the verge >>beside the road - I'm in a very rural area. >> >>Does anyone have any experience of using BOGs on 500kHz? >> >>John >>Gm4SLV > > Hello John and the LF Group, > > A few years ago, Robert, VK7ZAL made regular expeditions to a remote site > near Hobart in Tasmania and listened for our ZL gang who were transmitting > on 181.4 kHz. He ran out a couple of hundred metres or so of insulated > wire, over the ground and bushes, pointed towards ZL, and connected to an > antenna tuner that fed his receiver. I should also add that the far end > was unterminated. Allowing for the wavelength, this short "Beverage" > worked very well. > I have copies of recordings made by Robert and was surprised by the very > good reception at his end [audible CW]. > > At John's "remote" site I believe that a 200m BOG would be well worth a > try on 500kHz. > > Perhaps I should add that we have not yet achieved any access to the 500 > kHz zone in ZL land. However, we have open access, all modes, all the way, > from 130 through to 190 Khz. The other good news is that the "power line > carriers", radiated from high-voltage power lines, have nearly all gone. > In the past, they made some parts of the LF spectrum quite unusable. We > just need a few more LF participants. > > 73, > > Kevin, ZL4MD > > > >