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(VPS 111105-2, 05/11/2011), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Al as a Loop Conductor ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:501675104:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 X-AOL-SCOLL-AUTHENTICATION: mail_rly_antispam_dkim-d296.2 ; domain : btinternet.com DKIM : fail x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d404c4eb552e919d3 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none On thought Rik/Warren if this is "drop wire" (intended for telephone distribution) it should not need reinforcing but it may not be pure aluminium. "Copper" drop wire in the UK is 5 strands steel and 2 of copper, I believe (I was not involved in lines :-)) ) Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2011 10:57 AM Subject: LF: RE: Al as a Loop Conductor ? Hi Warren, aluminium has a higher resistivity (28x10^-9 Ohmmeter) than copper (17x10^-9 Ohmmeter) but it has a larger skin depth (Al = 260 um, Cu = 210 um at 100kHz). That makes an Al wire only 33% worse than a Cu wire of the same diameter. Regarding mechanical strength it might be a good idea to inforce this by a steel wire support. 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T ________________________________________ Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] namens Warren Ziegler [wd2xgj@gmail.com] Verzonden: zaterdag 5 november 2011 1:30 Aan: rsgb_lf_group Onderwerp: LF: Al as a Loop Conductor ? Hi, I am considering using Aluminum service drop wire (3/0 gauge) as a conductor for an LF transmitting loop. I know that the conductivity is not as good as copper but it weighs so much less that I can use a larger diameter conductor. Has anyone tried this? How would it hold up when flexed by the wind ? Other thoughts? -- 73 Warren K2ORS WD2XGJ WD2XSH/23 WE2XEB/2 WE2XGR/1