Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [195.171.43.25]) by mtain-mb06.r1000.mx.aol.com (Internet Inbound) with ESMTP id CA6C8380000AF; Sat, 3 Sep 2011 06:38:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Qznae-0004Gf-Bk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 11:36:44 +0100 Received: from [195.171.43.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Qznad-0004GW-R2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 11:36:43 +0100 Received: from out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net ([62.24.128.239]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Qznab-0005IC-EP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Sep 2011 11:36:43 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvAAALQCYk5cHYtY/2dsb2JhbABCmHhEjy95gUEFAQEEAQgBAQNJAiYGAQEDBQIBAxEEAQEBCSUUAQQaBhYIBhMKAQICAQGHYgK1BIZqBIc8nQA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.68,324,1312153200"; d="scan'208";a="358707966" Received: from host-92-29-139-88.as13285.net (HELO xphd97xgq27nyf) ([92.29.139.88]) by out1.ip03ir2.opaltelecom.net with SMTP; 03 Sep 2011 11:36:35 +0100 Message-ID: <001801cc6a25$5a9c2ae0$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> From: "mal hamilton" To: References: <005601cc696d$4c244960$0401a8c0@xphd97xgq27nyf> <47712331CE9449468610764E6397D092@JimPC> <4E61F319.9020309@o2.co.uk> Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2011 11:36:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF es MF MODES ... a historical perspective Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:377720096:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d601a4e6203893fd0 X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none It still is LAZY MAN'S CW Lazy man's cw Dreamers Band Silent Ross Asymmetric Ears are all explained in Hamiltons Dictionary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Dodd" To: Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 10:27 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF es MF MODES ... a historical perspective > Jim's history lesson is spot on. I recall Mal describing QRSS as "lazy > man's CW" > > Regards > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > > > G3KEV wrote: > >> You have just verified what I have always said. > >> Yes keep an open mind and experiment but in the end all will come to > >> the same conclusion as Yourself. > >> QRSS/DFCW.... > > > >> I think if we all co ordinated our efforts on QRS Mode using various > >> QRS speeds to suit the individual requirements there >would be > >> uniformity throughout the LF/MF fraternity and a better chance of > >> being either heard/seen or have a QSO >worldwide. > > > > People who subscribed to this reflector relatively recently may not be > > aware that, when QRSS and DFCW first started to be used on LF more > > than a decade ago, Mal spent literally years rubbishing them, going on > > endlessly about incompetent appliance operators, not-real-QSOs, > > unbalanced ears, real men only use CW, etc, etc, etc, I'm sure you get > > the idea. Meanwhile, others put considerable effort into developing > > and sucessfully using these then-new modes for transmission and > > reception near and far, and now they have become well-established on > > LF and other bands too. Eventually there was an awkward phase when > > G3KEV, bowing to the inevitable, started to appear on spectrograms in > > QRSS3 mode, but slower speeds were still beneath contempt. So it is > > rather nice to see Mal has finally embraced these modes, even if that > > wasn't really what he has "always said". If you want a hint as to > > which are the most promising new modes for LF and MF, take a look at > > what Mal is dismissing today, and see what he is using in 10 years time! > > > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > > 73 de M0BMU > > > > > > > >