Return-Path: Received: (qmail 80583 invoked from network); 25 Aug 2004 23:40:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) (192.168.71.3) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 23:40:19 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C07MY-0006l2-KS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:39:31 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1C07MY-0006kt-Eu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:39:30 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1C07NK-000Pae-8v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:40:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1C07My-0005bv-W2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:39:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1C07My-0005bm-J2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:39:56 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C07Mv-0001RS-Ku for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:39:56 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO jgtdiynm) (james.moritz@213.122.165.66 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 2004 23:39:46 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c48afc$c2805b00$42a57ad5@jgtdiynm> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <011901c48adc$6554a1e0$49540150@captbrian> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:38:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Key Clicks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: captbrian To: Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 8:47 PM Subject: LF: Re: RE: Key Clicks > Do I assume that "Gaussian" is being used loosely here to indicate a gradual > slope increase at first and a gradual slope decrease at the end of the rise > followed by a similar shape on the decline. ? I cannot think why there > should be a connection between a curve of statistical random distribution > and a modulation curve for least harmonic production... Dear Bryan, LF group, It has that effect - if you could make a truly Gaussian filter, you would find that the shape of the amplitude vs. frequency response was the same shape as the normal distribution curve of statistics. You would also find that the impulse reponse (the output waveform when the input signal is an infinitesimally short pulse) was the same shape. But if the sole purpose were to reduce the bandwidth of the unwanted sidebands, it would be better to use a type of filter with a sharper cut-off, such as a Butterworth or Chebyshev, since the Gaussian frequency response rolls off quite slowly. However, the thing which makes a Gaussian filter response really desirable for many applications in electronics is that it has constant "group delay". This means that all the frequency components of the signal are delayed by the same amount as they pass through the filter; in other types of filter, the group delay varies depending on the frequency (it usually rises rapidly near the cut-off frequency). Varying group delay means that the different frequency components making up the signal become "smeared out", arriving at the output at slightly different times. If you are listening to the filter output, this is one way in which "ringing" is manifested in filters. For digital modulation, the result is inter-symbol interference, while distortion results for phase or frequency modulated signals. So the point of a Gaussian key-click filter is that it filters the signal while resulting in the minimum distortion of the waveform - converting the rectangular pulses into smoothly rounded ones, whilst preserving their width. Unfortunately, it is not possible to make a filter that has a truly Gaussian response, but good approximations are possible with Bessel and Linear phase types. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU