Return-Path: Received: (qmail 98679 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2004 11:16:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) (192.168.71.1) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 3 Nov 2004 11:16:27 -0000 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJN1-000ImE-ML for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:32:10 +0000 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore01.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1CPJN1-000Im0-9H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:32:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1CPJ7o-000DL3-KF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:16:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJ7K-000236-MU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:15:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1CPJ7K-00022x-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:15:54 +0000 Received: from sterling.noc-servers.net ([69.93.216.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1CPJ7D-0007Ph-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 11:15:54 +0000 Received: from danton-2-81-57-233-115.fbx.proxad.net ([81.57.233.115] helo=parissn2) by sterling.noc-servers.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1CPJ7B-0006Fs-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2004 06:15:46 -0500 Message-ID: <001601c4c196$8b7ce5d0$0702a8c0@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4188AA2B.21796.2CA200@localhost> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 12:16:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sterling.noc-servers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 69.93.216.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of scgroup.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no, Subject: Re: LF: Rugby Loran station Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) >> Not true. For example, if you have a 100 watt CW transmitter >> with the key held down, the carrier power is 100 watts. >> Now, what happens when you send a string of dots (50% duty)? >> Your total power out is indeed 50 watts, but only 25 watts >> is in the carrier; the other half is in the keying sidebands >> (if ideal envelope shaping). In general, the carrier power >> is multiplied by the square of the duty cycle. > > But doesn't the lost power depend on the Morse speed? > Are you saying that for a dot lasting an hour, 50% of the > total key down power is taken up by the few milliseconds at > key up/down? No. If you send one-hour dots every two hours, and had a "key click" filter with a time constant of an hour, then a 100-watt Tx at 136 kHz would put out 25 W on 136000 Hz, 12.5 W on ~ 136000.000139 Hz, and 12.5 W on ~ 135999.999861 Hz. If you use a filter with a time constant of a few milliseconds, the carrier power is still only 25 W. However, there are now also sidebands at ~ 136000.000417 Hz, 136000.000694 Hz, etc. In either of the above cases, nearly all the sideband energy would fall within your receiver's bandwidth, so you could indeed claim 50 W average useful output from the Tx. However, a LORAN blanker would be gating the signal on and off much faster than the desired signal's message modulation. The sidebands created would be offset from the carrier by > 10 Hz, and would not even appear on the Argo screen. --Stewart