Return-Path: Received: (qmail 18085 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 09:15:12 +0100 Received: from magnet.plus.net.uk (HELO magnet.force9.net) (195.166.128.26) by guiness.force9.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 09:15:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 18038 invoked from network); 18 Sep 1999 08:19:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO post.thorcom.com) (212.172.148.70) by magnet.plus.net.uk with SMTP; 18 Sep 1999 08:19:35 -0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11SFWG-00009U-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:06:52 +0100 Received: from [143.179.236.31] (helo=Iguanodon.big-orange.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11SFWF-00009P-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 09:06:51 +0100 Received: from w8k3f0 ([143.179.151.235]) by Iguanodon.big-orange.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAB625D for ; Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:06:47 +0200 Message-ID: <001601bf01ad$d5b2d460$eb97b38f@w8k3f0> From: "Dick Rollema" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: Fw: LF: LF-antenna with top load Date: Sat, 18 Sep 1999 10:13:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group Sender: >From PA0SE Dave, G0MRF, wrote: >I recently installed a small broadcast transmitter on 1350kHz which was >licenced for a maximum antenna height of 10m. > >After some time we managed to get a 10m glassfibre mast errected with a small >top capacity hat, inductive loading at the centre (Litz), together with an >element of distributed loading in the top section between the loading coil >and the top hat. > >When examined by the authorities the efficiency was around 7%. > >A rough calculation would suggest that the Rrad of a 10m vertical is no >greater than 0.1R, on 136k. The computers perfect ground assumption could be >affecting the ability to compare the effects of different arrangements for >top loading. Is it EZNEC which has poor / Avg / good / perfect / ground >models? Dr. Dave, The program AO by Brian Beezley, K6STI, indeed has the option of different type of grounds (dielectric constant and conductivity). But that is only used in computing radiation patterns and gain. And - as mentioned before - these are not even applicable to the surface wave. The impedance in the feed point is computed over perfect ground. I have also the program NEC/WIRES by K6STI and this uses real ground also for feed point impedance computation. But only for antennas that are not fed angainst ground, dipoles etc. So not for Marconi's, inverted L and the like. I do not have EZNEC myself but I think that program can use real ground for feed point impedance calculation of antennas fed against earth. . Perhaps someone familiar with EZNEC can confirm. 73, Dick, PA0SE