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(VPS 101107-0, 07/11/2010), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: IMO SYNOPTIC was Re: LF: The Wideband Noise Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d60df4cd6ac81564e X-AOL-IP: 195.171.43.25 X-AOL-SPF: domain : blacksheep.org SPF : none May be the FCC will designate it as Spread Spectrum and ban it under 220 MHz ' data transmitted in an enhanced bandwidth , above the minimum necessary ' G.. -------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Ziegler" Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2010 1:31 PM To: Subject: Re: IMO SYNOPTIC was Re: LF: The Wideband Noise > > Terry, > Is it possible to get a copy of the whole ITU Part 5B report? > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS > WD2XGJ > WD2XSH/23 > WE2XEB/2 > WE2XGR/1 > > > > On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 1:41 PM, Terry GW0EZY wrote: >> I guess these tests relate to a proposed new system being discussed in >> ITU >> Working Party 5B: >> >> PROPOSED MODIFICATIONS TO PRELIMINARY DRAFT NEW >> REPORT ITU-R M.[500 kHz] >> Utilization of the 495-505 kHz band by the maritime mobile >> service for the digital broadcasting (from shore-to-ships) >> of information related to safety and security >> >> The draft new report has contributions from France and USA. Some extracts >> from the documents: >> >> This preliminary draft Report provides information on a digital >> broadcasting >> system working in the 500 kHz band. This system is intended to be used to >> broadcast from shore to ships information related to navigational and >> meteorological warnings, urgent information and other information related >> to >> safety and security. The system will utilize the band 495-505 kHz and >> have >> the same coverage area as the current NAVTEX system operating at 490 kHz >> and >> 518 kHz. New digital technology provides a greatly improved data >> throughput >> from that provided by the current NAVTEX system. It also provides >> protection >> to the incumbent NAVTEX system. >> >> This system will operate in a manner similar to the current NAVTEX >> system. >> The coast stations will be spaced along the coast approximately [500] >> nautical miles apart. All the transmitters on a coast will share the 10 >> kHz >> channel by transmitting in a specific time slot. An example of time slot >> allocations for a network of 500 kHz broadcast transmitters for the >> Atlantic >> coast of Europe is based on 3-minute slots of a 60 minute cycle. There is >> also discussion on using 495-500 kHz and 500 - 505 kHz as two slots for a >> "permanent mode" >> >> The radiated power from the regional coast station transmitter should be >> what is sufficient to cover the intended service area of that coast >> station. >> The power would be decreased at night during periods of better r.f. >> propagation. The estimated coverage area from shore is approximately 320 >> nautical miles with a radiated power of 1 kW and 400 nautical miles with >> a >> radiated power of 5 kW. The modulation is of type OFDM with N-QAM. An >> example of 64-QAM @ 47.4 kbps.system has a data rate of 100 bit/second >> with >> a 300 Hz channel. This system would have a data rate of up to 47 400 >> bits/second with a 10 kHz channel. >> >> A transmitter site in France is mentioned in the report: Pointe de Corsen >> coordinates: 48.414444 N, 4.794444 W. Google Earth shows some sort of >> installation there. >> >> 73 Terry GW0EZY >> >> >> > >