X-GM-THRID: 1205565978448391817 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 61326469b1237f936604a5a1c16f07b39f718d2c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs17050wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.20 with SMTP id o20mr898761nfh; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q27si1375112nfc.2006.06.07.14.55.09; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5xR-0003CK-46 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:52:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5xQ-0003CB-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:52:56 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fo5xN-00060j-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:52:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 16944 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 21:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.123 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 21:52:48 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c68a7c$b71c97c0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <009401c68a79$4bd89980$0300a8c0@lark> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:52:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.186 Subject: LF: RE: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5227 >From G3PLX: Checking across the LW band, most of them seem to be some fraction of a Hz off. On 162 there's one which is spot on, but another about 0.32Hz high. I don;t know which is which, but certainly the lower of the two is spot on. Closer to 198, there's a German one on 207 that's spot on. The worst one is the Irish one on 252, which is 1.73Hz low. When I say spot on, I mean that I can't see any significant phase rotation over a few minutes, relative to the 1Hz output of my GPS, so that's within a few mHz or so. The system I use relies on the RF harmonics of the rising edge of the 1Hz reference output of my GPS, which gives a click when fed straight into the receiver antenna. DSP software locks to the RF phase of this and I can then measure the RF phase of any incoming signal relative to that, completely independently of any drift or inaccuracy in anything else in the shack. So long as the GPS is working and I can trust it, it's a true phase comparison (i.e. a frequency comparison) made at the antenna input of the receiver. 73 Peter