Return-Path: Received: (qmail 84348 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 20:38:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 20:38:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 10698 invoked from network); 21 Mar 2004 20:46:17 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 21 Mar 2004 20:46:16 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1B59po-0002fL-IR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:46:16 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1B59pB-0003k4-IW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:45:37 +0000 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B59pB-0003jv-03 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:45:37 +0000 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.92]) by relay.salmark.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1B5Hkv-0008RD-Pv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 22 Mar 2004 05:13:45 +0000 Received: from [213.122.50.123] (helo=rogersservices) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1B59or-0001ah-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:45:18 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (rogersservices) Message-ID: <001501c40f84$cf9eb140$7b327ad5@rogersservices> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000101c40c24$a7c6b4f0$fce8c593@RD40004> <000a01c40f62$401a65e0$843e0751@y6m8a2> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:40:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: 0.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS RBL: SORBS: sender is listed in SORBS [194.73.73.92 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] [213.122.50.123 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Re: 136 Antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Dear John, LF Group, Tom G3OLB is usually an S9 signal with me - but as I recall he is not far from you in Devon, and the distance by itself may well account for the difference in signal reports. With ground-wave propagation, the increased distance to Hertfordshire, plus additional ground loss, might easily amount to 20dB+ reduction in signal, which would make all the difference between signal reports from Tom and myself. Also, Saturday morning was fairly noisy here due to local 50Hz-related QRM. I doubt if being surrounded by hills is a problem - with a wavelength of 2200m, the signal should diffract around them with little loss. Certainly, there has been more than one LF operation with antennas up the side of seaside cliffs that have given respectable signals in the inland direction. It would be interesting to know what antenna and TX power you are using there. Thanks for the first QSO, and hope to see you again soon on 136k, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Frederick John Armstrong To: Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:15 PM Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: 136 Antenna > Hello Jim, > > Thanks for the call last Saturday. Sorry you had a difficult time to copy. > I wonder if you heard G3OLB who I worked prior to your call? Tom reported > 599 and a large signal from me. I am wondering if I am suffering from great > attenuation as a resuly of my location which is only 30ft asl. and > surrounded by hills rising up to 550 ft. I live in a hole really. I am not > conversant with the nature of propagation under these circumstances. I > wonder if you or any of the lf group have any thoughts on this matter? If my > problem is the transmitting antenna I can work on that but if its the > location that is difficult. >