Return-Path: Received: (qmail 14020 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 19:44:25 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 19:44:25 -0000 Received: (qmail 16454 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2003 19:44:27 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2003 19:44:27 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 19c9Ez-0005iX-0z for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:44:05 +0100 Received: from [194.73.73.81] (helo=tungsten.btinternet.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 19c9Ev-0005iL-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:44:01 +0100 Received: from host213-122-171-192.in-addr.btopenworld.com ([213.122.171.192] helo=Main) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #23) id 19c9Et-0000Gt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:44:00 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c34a40$4c6bc740$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002e01c34a2e$07f120e0$31e4fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 20:43:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: PROP PREDICTIONS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.5 required=5.0tests=REFERENCESversion=2.55 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.55 (1.174.2.19-2003-05-19-exp) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Hi all, I totally agree with Mal's comments. I have also chatted at length with the guys who produce the HF predictions and they worry a lot about their work actually discouraging people from putting signals out. The HF Propagaion reports are quite difficult because it really depends what kind of a station you have. I remember when I ran 400W PEP and a 3el beam at 45 feet I worked bands after they had "closed" and often was "the only European" when I called in. (the problem is that it gets boring after a while). I did find the predictions a useful guide to what "should" be happening, but there is no subsistute for listening for a beacon and putting out a call or two. Like the HF predictions my efforts are hoped to help those who may have limited time or limited ERP to make best use of their available effort. By all means try when the band is supposed to be dead....but please let me know what you achieve. You know the old saying....it is the "exception"...... we are not into "proving rules" here but exceptional qsos at times when the band is expected to be difficult shine a usefull light (for me, at least) on what might be happening. The last three years of collecting data has all be in an attempt to understand 136 and dispell the myth that we "wouldn't get out of our back gardens". You may remember I was one of the heretics who suggested that, on the basis of CFH strength, a transatlantic crossing might be possible, about 6 months before Dave proved the point. I can certainly understand the elation that must have been felt by those hearing signals on HF from "across the pond" in the 1920s. To me this is the attraction of LF ....there are still frontiers to be pushed out. It is not just in big signal intercontinental DX, but even in proving the range possible on QRP....Joe is only running about 120watts input. So with a better night and maybe a bit more power a hand keyed morse qso is "ON" ....... and that's a prediction !! Remember LF stands for L(otsa) F(un) as well Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com