Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27310 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2004 00:08:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan02.plus.net) (212.159.14.236) by ptb-mailstore01.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Mar 2004 00:08:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 2259 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2004 00:17:39 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore02.plus.net (212.159.14.216) by ptb-mxscan02.plus.net with SMTP; 25 Mar 2004 00:17:38 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim) id 1B6IZ0-0000Sm-65 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:17:38 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1B6IYF-0005of-NL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:16:51 +0000 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1B6IYF-0005oW-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:16:51 +0000 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([194.73.73.93]) by relay.salmark.net with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1B6IYA-0005i9-Uw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:16:46 +0000 Received: from [213.122.42.30] (helo=Main) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 3.22 #25) id 1B6IYA-0006db-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:16:46 +0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <001401c411fe$7dd20de0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003201c411fa$cf7ba6a0$e2c828c3@erica> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:16:51 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: 0.1 RCVD_IN_SORBS RBL: SORBS: sender is listed in SORBS [213.122.42.30 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] Subject: LF: Re: North South propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi Peter, time almost for a post-mortem......Conditions were good and improving (we are only just the "magic" 15 days past the last major storm.) Having said that there was nothing spectacular about them, and similar conditions should occur with some regularity...it wont be a "one-off" . The is certainly someting about North-South paths (remember the Euro DX record for a long time was Italy to Finland) Iam not sure that the "magnetic direction" has more than a minor role on strengths. I feel that the sea path and the fact that the whole of the path is at the "same time after darkness" may be a more important effect. This is the effect that makes the morning absorption at sunrise such a signal killer on N<>S paths. The only evidence is from Laurences copy of Quartz Hill last year, and the consistency of Joe's relatively low power signal in the UK. With a multi-hop path if all the hops are good at the same time, then you could be on a winner. On an East West path, because of sunset time variation along the path the ionosphere will be in different states along the path. Thus some hops may be good but other might show absorption.....the same effect as when the sunrise sweeps down the path, killing it from the east. It interesting to note that there is a reduction in signal reported by some stations during the middle of the night. This is also often seen on trans-Atlantic signals ...my term.."the 3 o'clock dip". The boys have advanced the LF art somewhat in the last few days. Thanks fellows for all the hard work. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3ldo" To: Sent: 24 March 2004 23:45 Subject: LF: North South propagation > The Kiwis and the Ruskies are really to be commended on their LF DX QSO. It > is one thing to just receive a fragment of a signal but quite another to > make a QSO. The Vladivostok Dxpedition has truly turned out to be a great > success. > > As regards North/South propagation, when I received G3AQC's signals in > Marrakech last October they were surprisingly strong - considering that I > was using a 10m long dipole (configured as a Marconi against mains earth). > Although the DX path was nowhere near the UA0 - ZL distance the signals were > almost dogboning. So either we had very good propagation or there is more to > North/South propagation than meets the eye. > > Regards, > Peter, G3LDO > > >