Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27219 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2002 16:55:27 -0000 Received: from warrior.services.quay.plus.net (212.159.14.227) by mailstore with SMTP; 26 Nov 2002 16:55:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 9670 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2002 16:55:22 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com (193.82.116.70) by warrior.services.quay.plus.net with SMTP; 26 Nov 2002 16:55:22 -0000 X-SQ: A Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.10) id 18GiyT-0008PK-00 for rsgb_lf_group-outgoing@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:54:13 +0000 Received: from [62.253.164.43] (helo=mta3-svc.business.ntl.com) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 18GiyT-0008PB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:54:13 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 ([62.252.228.83]) by mta3-svc.business.ntl.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with SMTP id <20021126165412.HMYL15439.mta3-svc.business.ntl.com@l8p8y6> for ; Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:54:12 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c2956c$63b666a0$53e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3DE1338E.2F1E9274@att.net> <000801c29474$a4e23300$1ee086d4@erica> <5.1.0.14.0.20021125171906.00b9d028@pb623250.kuleuven.be> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2002 16:53:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: loop antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=5.0tests=QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02, USER_AGENT_OEversion=2.42 Sender: Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" To: Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 4:58 PM Subject: LF: loop antenna > Hello group, > > I am about to put up a transmitting loop antenna. Dimensions will be 23m > long and 15m high. Thanks to Dick (PA0SE) I could achieve a wheel of 7mm > litz wire, so wire losses should be minimized (about 0.04 Ohm). > > Some questions : > > - What distance should I keep to the ground ? It's a tradeoff between loop > area (and thus radiation resistance) and loss resistance. > - What distance should I keep to the greenery (birch trees) ? Same tradeoff > as above but also keeping in mind that the trees are used as antenna > support and that the 7mm litz wire is rather heavy stuff (so from the > mechanical point of view it would be best to have the wire just hanging on > the branches). > - How to match the antenna ? As it is an experimental setup I would tend to > keep the resonance tuning (= series capacitor) and impedance matching (= > transformer) separated. Any experience with a 100/1 .. 400/1 transformer > (matching 50 Ohm of the TX to 0.1 .. 0.4 Ohm of the loop - at least I hope > to get losses that low). > > Some quick and dirty calculations : > If the lower wire is 1m above ground then the loop area is 322m^2 and > radiation resistance is 0.14 .. 0.28 milli-Ohm (let's assume 0.2 milli-Ohm). > 1. if Rloss = 1 Ohm and 450W RF power -> antenna current = 21A -> EIRP = > 135mW > 2. if Rloss = 0.5 Ohm and 450W RF power -> antenna current = 30A -> EIRP > = 370mW > 3. if Rloss = 0.2 Ohm and 450W RF power -> antenna current = 47A -> EIRP > = 675mW > 4. to get 1W EIRP with 450W RF power I would need 71A antenna current and > losses as low as 0.09 Ohm Rik, When I see the sky light up across the north sea, I will know you have fired up with the LOOP The components for the matching network will need to be tough to handle 71A plus of antenna current. Good luck and let us all know how you get on. I am looking for a 25nf/10kv capacitor if you have one spare. de Mal/G3KEV > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > > >