X-GM-THRID: 1198300494460625461 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 83e6d25e8c45f5d849d3e4f10467edfe2e79780e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.70.14 with SMTP id s14cs23239wra; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.254.5 with SMTP id g5mr354674qbs; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:13:24 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z21si39602qbc.2006.03.19.09.13.23; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 09:13:24 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FL1Rh-000680-FX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:12:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FL1Rh-00067r-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:12:01 +0000 Received: from post-25.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FL32b-0000cU-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:54:28 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:28166 helo=pcroelof) by post-25.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FL1QE-000POd-5u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Mar 2006 17:10:30 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c64b77$ffba03d0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: References: <000401c64b6e$33e2b8a0$3bcdfc3e@your4105e587b6> Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 18:10:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.194 Subject: LF: Re: LOOPS V VERTICALS Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6872 Hello Mal, I have been testing a tuneable loop antenna against my mini-whip and did not find any difference in receiving weak daytime signals in the 270 - 430 kHz range. At home I have been on and off comparing DX performance of a single winding active loop and the mini-whip. This requires absence of local noisem, as at my location the loop is much more prone to local noise pick up than the mini-whip. When a station could be heard on one antenna, it was audible as well on the other. I did not come across a single situation where this did not hold. Just like Jim, I have also used a phasing system with the above mentioned active loop and a mini-whip. I could establish a reduction in received band noise in the order of 3 dB compared to the mini-whip alone. This is caused by the change from omni-directional to a heart shaped antenna pattern and hence a lower level of received band noise. The best results in regard to low noise, was an EWE. I might set it up again and test it on some T/A signals. Though A/B comparisons are obvious, I have intentionally descarded these with my mini-whip design. It has been fun to watch the performance over time. Just stick to it and see what happens in the long run. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt