Return-Path: Received: (qmail 57332 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 14:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ptb-mxscan01.plus.net) (212.159.14.235) by ptb-mailstore02.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 14:34:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 73199 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2004 14:34:21 -0000 X-Filtered-by: Plusnet (hmail v1.01) X-Spam-detection-level: 11 Received: from ptb-mxcore01.plus.net (212.159.14.215) by ptb-mxscan01.plus.net with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 14:34:20 -0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30; FreeBSD) id 1BXhgC-000Ipj-J7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 14:34:20 +0000 X-Fake-Domain: majordom Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1BXhfO-0002Bs-5c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:33:30 +0100 Received: from [213.232.95.59] (helo=relay.salmark.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1BXhfN-0002Bj-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 15:33:29 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.salmark.net with smtp (Exim 4.24) id 1BXoDt-0000KM-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2004 22:33:33 +0100 X-Fake-Domain: unknown Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (rsgb?lf?group@blacksheep.org@81.131.218.183 with poptime) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2004 14:33:19 -0000 X-Bad-Message-ID: no DNS (Main) Message-ID: <001301c44d65$8c89e720$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2004 15:32:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,RCVD_IN_SORBS=0.1 Subject: LF: LF PA "Efficiency meter" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SPAMFiltered: yes X-Spam-Rating: 2 Hi all the technical chat about PA operation has reminded me of an unfinished project idea that someone might like to pick-up. It was stimulated by the need to tune a Class-E stage for maximum efficiency (usual technique to tune for PA FET drain waveform on a 'scope), but I guess it could be a useful tool in any Class of PA. Simply, the efficiency is approximately the PA (DC) current divided by the aerial of feeder current, so there is some "computation" to do. I considered a simple analogue multiplier, but then remembered the circuits of analogue computers from my youth. I am thinking that these latter circuits might be more rugged and easier to understand for most. ( no software or clever programmers required !!) A KISS solution ?? The idea goes like this....... use a high-side current measurement chip ....there is one made by Zetex but I have not doubt there are others. Some extra circuitry will be necessary to get it to sit 60 volts of so "up in the air" (see the Zetex app note) The voltage produced by this part is turned into a PWM stream (maybe a 555) referenced to ground. The feeder current is monitored with a current transformer (like Jim's tuning aid) but the output to a moving coil meter is interupted (chopped) by the PWM stream (100Hz or so). With the correct "polarity" of the pulse stream the level integrated by the moving coil meter will be a measure of the efficiency. Hence as the DC current increases the chopper gate is closed for less time giving a lower reading. I know it will not be an accurate measure of efficiency, but I was seeking a "peaking" meter to easily tune a Class-E stage correctly without the use of a 'scope. I have not patented this idea and offer it for the good of mankind and hopefully a help to LF operators. Yup I know you could do it with a PIC or some other device with a mega-bucketfull of transistors inside.....but I though this conceptually simple idea would appeal to the "hot solder-iron" fraternity (like me), and would be relatively easy to breadboard up. There may of course be a "theoretical hole" in my bucket....but I have no doubt someone will soon tell me !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK alan.melia@btinternet.com